HELP!!! - New to recording - HELP!!!

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I am trying to build a small home recording studio based around some type of computer. (Digital HD recording)
I want to be able to record guitar, bass and vocals.
So I am trying to get an idea on what I need to buy.
What type of computer am I best off buying for this? mac or pc?
What speed / sound card`(s) Will I need? Will I need 2 sound cards in order to record one track while listing to the other tracks? (Im recording one track at a time)
I've heard that I will need a pre amp of some type, should I go out and get a mixer?
What does a mixer do exactly?
Im just trying to get an idea here of what I need, I don't have a lot of money and I want to keep the computer under $2000 and I don't want to spend $1000 on a mixer.
Oh and I will want to get a midi keyboard controller for sampling.
Am I missing anything here?
Thanks for any help, Ill need it!
 
Wow big guy you are gonna get heaps of suggestions and advice. You will note from many many posts that you can nab a PC for a grand that will do you justice. No no no, you do not need it to have two soundcards, if anything two will give you a headache. Best and easiest will be to nab a nice interface soundcard. reccomended cards will include the classic Event Layas, or Aark interface deals. We need to narrow down your post questions just a bit though. You have a few real good questions laced into one. Macs are great, but pricey. At least one persome in here will suggest you get a stand alone hard disk recording machine like the ones roland makes. Those will let you record and act as a bit of a mixer for you. A mixer by the way is litterally just that but for sound. It lets you plug in several lines (mics or instruments) and set volume levels to a decent blend as decided by you the knob control guy.
Weather or not you are missing anything is a whole different can of worms. Guitar, Keyboard for sequencing and all that, a drum source like a decent drum machine... and all of those things will have their own equiptment demands such as pre amps, eqs, effects and so on. Mics... gotta have mics. and I step out quick if we need to talk software. I can only reccomend the N-traks program for myself. Look forward to you expanding on the inquiry here. We'll do what we can. These dudes here are a wealth of help.
 
When you get your computer, make sure it's got the biggest hard drive and the biggest RAM you can get.

When you get a soundcard, make sure it's full duplex (so you can record and hear what you're recording at the same time), and make sure it's got as many channels as you want to record at the same time. I think Even's right about getting only one (good) soundcard.

If you're recording mics, you're gonna need something to boost the mic-level signal up to line level before it goes to the soundcard - either a mixer or a preamp. Mixers for recording lots of channels at the same time, preamps for recording only one or two. You can get either mixers or preamps for way less than $1000.

If you hang around this site and learn how to use the search facility at the top of the page and take a bit of time, you'll get the information you need to avoid great big mistakes.

Gooooooooo for it.
 
Thanx for the info guys.
Ok Ill try to be a bit more specific this time.

First off
If I want to record guitar, bass, vocals ect... via computer
I am going to need the computer to be fast enough, have enough
memory and the right type of sound card.
So is 433mhz fast enough, 4.3gb hardrive, 32mb sdram memory enough?
Oh and the sound card, yea this gets me.
I said before that I want to buy a midi keyboard controller for sampling, so can I get a sound card that will record/play back (other tracks) and play what your playing (if you are doing some sampling directly off your computer with a controller) all at the same time?
Oh and is a channel the same thing as a track?

Next
As I have been told I will need a preamp of some type.
Now Im not going to be recording more than one track at a time so will I need to go out and buy specific preamps for each mic
that I buy (I assum I will need different mics for recording - vocals guitars ect..) or can you get a piece of equipment that will support most mics?
And any suggestions for a midi keyboard controller and what programs
I might need to use it for sampling?
And will programs like cakewalk and n tracks be able to record while playing back
other tracks, and have the ability to add in effects like reverb after as well?

Finally
what will all of this cost me?
Like I said I dont have alot of money
about $2000 to start out with.
Ill get more as time goes on but ill go for the computer first and add on from there.

Wow! thats a lot of questions.
Any suggestions on specific types of equipment to get would be greatly appreciated as well.
Thanx!
 
Hey ther Maz, I will take a stab at a few of these issues. But wait, don't be afraid to dig in some of the other archives here if you get the chance. Some few of your questions have been covered by some real sharp dudes.
The PC: I use a PII 433MHz and find it is fast enough for me. But with the blazing speed of new chips out there you can probably get a 500MHz cheap. 32MB of ram is honestly a bit weak. Most software for recording tends to suggest 64 minimum and 128 reccomended. Bottom line the more the better as far as RAM goes. Same with the Hard disk. 4.3 seems large at first glance but I assure you that it will get filled in a flash. 10 gigs is pretty standard. Just to ballpark the PC deal for you, in todays little circuit city flyer you can nab a Celeron 500MHz, 64MB ram 10 gig machine for $900 ( I added the 400 they subtract for the damn compuserve deal). And I am sure if you hunt you can do better even still.

Soundcard: you want to record a track while playing back a seperate one. For that you will need what is called a full-duplex sound card. Ask the PC dude, many stock sound cards today are indeed full duplex.

Tracks vs channels: not litterally the same thing. A channel for example is the line in. Thats to say a 16 channel mixer or soundboard will accept up to 16 inputs or lines in (mics, instruments). But a track is the referance to a recorded voice (or part). Example:record the rhythm guitar and you have one track. Play it back and record the solo... second track.

Preamps: Generally speaking you will want a preamp for the mic, its true. The pre amp "conditions" the signal from the mic. Without it your sound frequencies go all over the damn place. The cost of these buggers is like anything else. but range from like $100 for a cute little ART tube single channel, $300 for a Duel channel (for 2 mics) on up to a ga-zillion dollars for a joemeek preamp (actually around $600).

Software: What you want is a multitracking software program. Both Cakewalk and N-tracks are that. Yes they let you playback and record at the same time (assuming you got the full duplex or interface sondcard) But a word of warning with cakewalk. It is close to useless if you are not midi ready. I vote N-tracks to start with. A for cost, B for ease. But both Cake and N-tracks are happy to accept effects.

Cost: Hmmm. We covered a lot of alternate options here so it is going to be hard to tag it depending on how carried away you get.
PC: lets just kiss $1000 off the top and assume it has a workable sound card you are ok with at first. If not .....
Decent sound card interface: sheesh I don't know, they go from $100 for a good card on up to $1000 for the latest and greatest MOTU or AArk deals. Maybe we can answer that one more so after you get your bearings?
Pre amps: again $100-300 for the most part. Oh you asked about Mics. For general purposes and not breaking the bank you can pick up a shure SM58 for a hundred a piece...good for vocals, and the Shure SM57 for a few bucks less is good for amps and drums.
Keyboards: sheesh. I vote you hit E-bay or a swap shop and nab a used machine if you are just hoping for midi control and some mild sequencing. I nabbed a roland D-10 for $250 bucks and it is doing me just fine.

Dude I can't type anymore. If word gets out I wrote this much my folks will want a damn E-mail or something.
Jump in guys and clear up any stray path I may be leading this dude down. I am the first to admit there are at least 20 regulars here that kow way more than me.
 
Hi Maz,
Even is on the right track. But to simplify the situation. If you can build it yourself you will be asured to get what you need. If you go out and buy an off the shelf computer you are buying stuff you don't need.

We need to know what your end product will be? Cassette or CD?

How many instruments do you want to record at any given time?

Do you want to record vocals too?

How large of a learnig curve are you willing to try to conquer?

Are you going to go out and record live bands?

If you will elaborate we can get you pointed in the proper direction, and hopefully help you avoid making costly mistakes. We need to know your ultimate focus or vision for this project.

GRIZ
 
I bought a soundblaster live card and it works fine with N-Tracks. I dont think you have to get a super duper CPU, just get alot of RAM and Hard-Drive space and a decent processor. Forget all the extras too if you are just going to use it for recording, cause they add up. It seems kinda hard to stay under 2 grand for all that stuff, just give it time and buy each piece of gear one by one.
 
You can definately stay under 2000$ for this project if you spend some time searching for some deals. If you look around through catalogs, mailorder, and local stores till your eyes are sick of computers you could definately get a computer at least 433mhz, 10 gig hd, and minimum 64 megs of ram. Ram is really cheap too and hella easy to install so you can always add more later...

so let's say your at 1000$ for a decent computer.

about 100$ for a good full duplex sound card with a 1/4 balanced line in (you can always use converters and stuff, but doing so may degrade the sound and will genearlly be a hassle so I'd want a 1/4" in)... i may be off at the price for this but i'm pretty sure it's ballpark.

ntrack is less that $35 for regular and $55 for 24-bit so i'm not even gunna be counting that in cause if you got 2000 to blow n-track is literally pocket change...

ART tube MP's are supposevely really good (i personally have never used one) but the way people on here rave about them, you should probably be fine with one... plus they are $100 so the price fits too...

For microphones... Sam Ash around me has $79 Shure sm57's (basically an all purposes mic) which would be good for your guitar, and $89 Shure sm58's which are pretty good for vocals, and both of them come with a cheap stand and a cord...

midi keyboard controller's... i have no clue how much they cost, but someone said they got one for $250, so i'll say $400

There 1000 for the pc, 100 for the sound card, about 200 for 2 mics (one guitar, one vocals), and 400 for the keyboard controller... that's a total of 1700... now sure of the stuff may cost a little more or a little less, but that just shows ya that you can get a decent setup for under 2000 and still have money left over to buy massive amounts of plugins like reverb :)

good luck
 
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