Help needed: Second Hard drive

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Hey Y'all,
It is time to bite the bullet and add a second hard drive for audio.
I need a cheap one, or else I will have to go on the streets of Cleveland as a male prostitute, which isnt a pretty sight.

Questions:

What can I get for cheap?

How do I install it?

Internal/External?

What the heck do I do?

I have a HP 6645C, 256 ram, 566 celeron

Is this going to be as big a pain in the ass as I think it is?

I am scared. Hold me:(
 
maybe, maybe not. i just got a 40gb 7200rpm western digital from best buy today for $126.22 after tax. you might be able to find something a little cheaper, but you will definitely need a 7200rpm drive. slower drives won't be able to support higher track counts. installation is a snap as long as you don't get intimidated. most hard drives come with inlistrated instructions. and if all else fails ask your friends, someone you know is bound to know how to install a hard drive.
 
oopsy, thats supposed to say "illustrated instructions" not "inlistrated instructions"
 
Hey Mikey,
i just got a 40gb 7200rpm western digital from best buy today for $126.22 after tax.

Yup, that is what I am talking about, I can do that, sounds good.
and if all else fails ask your friends,

I dont have any friends because of my foot odor problem,that is why I gotta get my info from the Rascals who hang out here.

Can you give me a brief summary of how to install it? External/internal? Maybe nobody needs to hold me after all. Cheers, Dave
 
I go with a Maxtor 7200RPM, but I'm not a fan of WD Drives.

Installing isn't hard. But you will need to do a few things.

1. Open your computer up. This can be easy or difficult. That model of HP is vagely familier. Might be plastic sheild on the back that pops of revealing 3 screws that hold the case on. Or it might be some bizarro design, requiring a sledgehammer or some patience. Either way, it's like a puzzle.. and there is a solution.

2. On the motherboard you will see 3 ribbons coming off it. Your interested in the 2 largest of the 3.

*note* you may only have 2 ribbons, one going to the floppy and 1 going to both the CD-ROM and Hard drive. If the hard drive and cd-rom are sharing the same ribbon, you will need to buy a ribbon cable. 40 or 80 pin IDE ribbon cable.

Install the drive. This will depend entirely on the internal design of your case. Ideally, put the new drive somewhere away from the old drive for heat dissapation. If that isn't possible, mount it above the current drive (probably 5400 rpm so heat won't be that big deal.)

Bit of info:

- Two connectors on the motherboard, primary and secondary.
- Two devices allowed per ribbon.
- With two devices on one ribbon, one device must be set to master, and one to slave. This is accomplished with little plastic jumpers on the back of the hard drive (usually at the back), and back of the CD-ROM.
- Typically the hard drive with the operating system on it, is on the primary controller on the motherboard, with the CD-ROM set as slave, on the same ribbon.

You want your new hard drive as the master drive, on the secondary IDE channel. It most likely will be jumpered factory default as master. I'm assuming you currently have one hard drive and one cd-rom.

Ok, so you installed it all have the ribbons hooked up, power hooked up. The red stripe on the ribbon is closest the power connector on the hard drive etc.

Unplug the ribbon from your old hard drive. (in case you screw up in FDISK)

*next bit may not be necessary, if you run fdisk and you don't see any drives, try below*

Boot the machine up and go into BIOS (keep hit the delete key until it lets you in), might be F1 or hold down escape for the HP can never remember. In BIOS you will see something that relates to Primary Master, Primary Slave, Secondary Master, Secondary Slave. Set them all to AUTO, save and exit BIOS.

Boot with a windows boot disk.

Details on that can be found in the first bits of text here:

www.sigmacomputers.on.ca/dualboot.html

From the a:

type FDISK

Select yes

Select 1, create partition
Yes, you want it the full capacity or whatever the question is.

After fdisk is finished, reboot with the floppy and FORMAT the drive.

From the a:

type FORMAT c: /z:64


Reconnect your old drive, make sure all ribbons are snug.

That should be it. It's not as hard as the above may read, but a little tricky since your unfamiliar with the process.
 
i've noticed alot of people on here aren't WD fans, but i've had good luck with them...and there weren't any maxtor 40gb 7200 rpm drives when i went to best buy
 
There as good a drive performance wise as any other, just I've seen more fail that's all. I doubt you will have a problem with it... I'm just a bit biased against them.. :)
 
I just got a 60gig 7200 at Fry's for $129. I think its an IBM but I cant remember.
 
i probably should've tried fry's but in this town it takes about 45 mins to get there with the friggin traffic
 
I think i mentioned before that I had to practically take my whole computer apart to add a hard drive to my HP Pavillion.....good luck....

i went with a Maxtor Diamond Max 7200 rpm....they are as highly recommended for audio here as WD's are NOT recommended......

http://www.bestbuy.com/search/sr16.asp?m=1581&SC=site&SV=maxtor

if you dont mid doingthe rebate thing, check stores like Circuit City and Comp USA as you can usually get a 7200 rpm Maxtor for under $100.....
 
Maxtor (supposedly) provides fantastic support too. No direct experience mind you, just what I read someplace.
 
Don't mind me, just dispelling the misinformation

7200 rpm drives aren't as necessary as people think. With the increases in areal density (40 GB/platter), 5400 drives are getting very fast.

A 24-bit 96 kHz mono audio file takes up about 20MB/min, which is 0.33MB/sec. Since a decent 5400 rpm drive like the Maxtor D540X can sustain 20MB/sec at worst (on the inner tracks - on the platter, not audio tracks), that gives you 60 simultaneous tracks. Granted, that's assuming 100% effieciency and no other hard disk activity, but consider that until you get to those inside tracks, you'll be closer to 25-30 MB/sec. I'd say its very safe to assume you can pull 40 tracks of 24-bit 96 kHz audio with this drive if the rest of your system can handle it.

So unless you need more than 40 tracks, you might as well forgo the heat and noise and get a 5400 rpm drive. BUT, get a good, recently released 5400 rpm drive (can I plug the D540X again?). These new 5400 rpm drives are beating last year's 7200 rpm drives.

Also, if you must get a 7200 rpm drive, avoid IBM Deskstars like the plague. They've had dreadful reliability with their 75GXP and 60GXP models, and I would expect much of the same with their new 120GXP drives. In 7200 rpm drives, I would recommend the Seagate Barracuda IV (very quiet thanks to fluid bearings) and the Maxtor D740X (fast, cheap, comes in both fluid and ball bearing models - the fluid bearing models are more expensive and louder than the Seagates, though). 7200 rpm drives do tend to be a bit less reliable than 5400 rpm drives in general, but stay away from IBM and you should be OK.
 
Thanx everyone for the swell advice


Gidge said:
I think i mentioned before that I had to practically take my whole computer apart to add a hard drive to my HP Pavillion.....good luck....


Yup Gidge, this is what I am worried about. It was hard enough adding RAM and soundcards with this cramped HP. Is there such a thing as an external hard drive, and if so, would that work for me? Cheers, and Happy Birthday Bud:)
 
i checked www.pricewatch.com and saw 7200 rpm Maxtors as low as $82.....

thanks, David for the BD wish........

yes there is such a thing as external harddrives....i have no clue if one would work though.....USB probably wouldnt.......firewire probably would.......SCSI ?????......

id go for internal though if you trust yourself taking it down though.....
 
Office Depot has a 40gb 7200 rpm mAxtor for $109 ($129 with $20 rebate plus you get a free stick of ram (128mb) by mail...price good thru 2/2/02.....
 
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