Have a listen and take it to pieces!

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OK, here we go. I've got my flak Jacket and body protector on, and a backpack at the ready, so I can escape into the mountains.

Here is a demo we've just done, recorded (as per agreement with another thread) at home on PT free.
Go and have a listen, remember its just a demo, and tell me what you think ----- of the song, not of the singer, I already know she's cute :)

http://www.nowhereradio.com/artists/alternative/uru/
 
do you want comments on the song or the recording?
 
Your welcome to comment on anything:) Its a demo, bare bones, everything to be added
 
This is my first impression: Well, considering it's a "demo" I wont comment on the recording until the finished version. I think this song should be a least a minute shorter, it starts to drag. IMO the lyrics need alot of work too, they're kinda dumb and cliche. Lemme see, her voice is cool, but you already know that. Kinda has a Sade feel to it. I wanna hear a little more instrumentation in there, less wierd sounds, it needs to be interesting.
 
I wanna know the vocal mic and preamp dude!

Then I will save my income for a year to buy it....:)

That is the most big time vocal production I have heard on THIS board.

Ed
 
Here is what was used sonus, I'm copying it from another thread. It was an "I better put my money where my mouth is" thing, to try and prove that you CAN record without an acoustic environment and with very little equipment. The only concession I did make was the microphone and pre-amp, we used what Uru normally uses.

Here is what we did:
Mac, with a version of Pro Tools Free.
I/O - a Digidesign ADAT bridge. Note, this is not a cheap piece of gear, but we just used it as a means of getting in and out of PTfree.
A 2 channel Lucid A/D 2496 converter to go direct to disk (which is one of the main reasons why the vocals sound good), for playback I used the ADAT bridge's D/A's.
A (very cheap) Yamaha keyboard, I think it costs about 500 bucks. Did the bass and drums on that, WITHOUT using a sequencer, sampler or anything else. Just played parts on the keyboard, get the sounds I wanted on individual tracks, comped them down to 2 tracks, a bit of cut-and-paste and voila.
For other sounds, like the clapping kinda noise, I used a CD with water sounds, CD player analogue into the converter - tracked at 24/48, cut into bits, added reverb and inverted the result (in other words, played it backwards).
Total time for putting the track together, about 1 1/2 hour.
(which means - drum and bass basic track, one scratch vocal as a guide - then add the rest).

Then the vocals. I did go off what I proposed to use. I'm not just doing this for fun, its a song for a movie soundtrack, so we had to do it in a way we're accustomed to for Uru's voice, otherwise it would have thrown her a bit (she is unbelieveably intense, determined and accurate). So we used her normal set-up, which is a Stayne MagMike and a pre amp Stayne build especially for me, with a gigantic mother of a transformer in it and 2 large optical tubes (recipe: wrap some fresh prawns in aluminum foil, add some pepper, a few slices of onion, place it on top of the pre and 2 hours later you have perfectly cooked lunch).
Tracking ALL the vocals took about an hour. Please note that this is not normal, it could have taken a week with some other artists. She's just got perfect pitch, knows her stuff, rehearses, and is the fastest person to layer vocals I have ever encountered.
Mixing took about 2 hours.
After that I lost quality, as the mac doesn't have a network card, so I couldn't convert it to MP3 in Pro Tools and upload it, I had to go analogue out, into a CD burner, burn a CD, find a free MP3 encoder (I listened to a whole bunch that really sucked!).
That last bit took more time than all the rest. I'm sure the sound quality would be better if I had been able to make an MP3 file in PT and uploaded it from there. I had to do it on one of our network PC's, which has got really little speakers, so I more or less did it blind.

We recorded in a bedroom, the worst kind for acoustics, a cube shape, with one side consiting entirely of mirror doors. To overcome that problem I used 4 tube traps in a semi circle, with the mic popping into the center. Ultra cool things, the tube traps.

If it sounds like the song has a lot of space where almost nothing happens, its a demo, things have to be added. Apart from that, it is intended to insert dialog from the movie in some places.
 
1.5 hours on protoolsFREE in like unreal.

I liked the bass sound. It is very full.
The vocals, as sonusman says, are the best I've heard on homerecording.com, I also like the drums a lot

What kind of compression and eq settings do you have on the drums and bass?

peace
 
I played the drums straight out of Yamaha keyboard onto a click track, just a short bit, then cut and paste. (damn bummer if you don't use time alignment or a sequencer), then play the in-and the out bit.
Didn't use any compression, the samples are already compressed. They are standard Yamaha samples, even found on cheap 399 bucks DJX's. The rimshots I copied and doubled, with one in phase, one out of phase, and then bounced it back to one track. I only used a minute amount of EQ, from the standard PT audio suite tools.
The trick is ---- use a good converter. Which shows you how large the difference is between good and standard converters.
Did the same with the bass, its a standard fretless sample from the Yam, with the top cut and the low boosted.

What most people don't yet understand (even a lot of pro's) is that digital sound stands or falls by 2 things; the quality of the converter and the accuracy of the clock. Had I used my studio sync instead of PT's build-in one, the quality would have been better.
 
Just as a comparison, I've uploaded another song on www.nowhereradio.com same singer, Uru, but this time with the vocals recorded in the studio, which does sound better. Same mic and pre
 
Nice

Vocals are pretty fat, sounds like shes right up on it, singing low with some good proximity effect. At least thats how it feels to me.
Converters... I've read that the Lucid stuff is nice, but outta my price range. I've also read that the Aardvark converters were real good too, and they arent to pricey, so that what I ended up with. Do you know anything about the Aarks, and what kind of quality they really are?
A Stayne Magmike? Who has these, and what do they cost... must be my budget talking, but I've never heard of those. Gonna try to look em up here in a min...
I'd also like to hear some "whole band" stuff from ya, preferably rock. Might end up with YOU cutting my bands tracks ;)
I posted a song on mp3.com but its been since friday and they still havent put it up yet. I'll let everyone know...
Paul
 
Aardvarks are ok. not spectacular by any means, but ok.
The MagMike is a funny beast, its build into a MagLite, so its available in red, blue and black :) It is a hand-build tube mic of an exceptionally high quality. Its also exceptionally expensive! - as in thousands.

You have already heard a lot of rock I've recorded
 
damn...

What are YOU doing up so late? (4am here) ;)
a maglite, huh? Thats pretty original... have a picture of it, or is there a website?
I've already heard it huh? You're a trip... what are some of your most recent and/or biggest projects? I know of the Mick Fleetwood thing, but other than that, I havent heard word of any others. Would like to, though.
I guess my Aardvark is as close as I get to get... what about Motu stuff? Maybe I'll luck out and find something good at the used music store/pawn shop one day... every now and then... :)
Have you (or anyone reading this) tested the Rode NT1000 yet?
Paul
 
hehe yes they do love it, but not just for its looks, it really is the best microphone you could possibly get, bar none.
I've played with the Rode, Event is just down the road from us. Its good for the money I suppose, but then - it takes a lot to get me exited, as Stayne hand-builds a lot of my stuff. I also have a pair of awsome U87's which have been "tubed-up" by him. Really good as well, but still no match for the MagMike.
The recordings? :) I've done a lot of rock stuff, and a lot is now regarded as "classics".
Oh yeah, Motu. Not a great fan I'm afraid, I haven't heard anything they made which I thought sounded reasonable.
 
sjoko2 said:

Didn't use any compression, the samples are already compressed. They are standard Yamaha samples, even found on cheap 399 bucks DJX's.

Never thought about this. The Galacticus song did sound overcompressed to me somewhere in the dark caves of my subconscious self, but I didn't had it in hand anyway...
The drum and bass come out of a Yamaha pocket sequencer, which went into a sampler, straight back to the output of the sampler with some samples added, and was then recorded to tape (-> even more compression...)
Then we recorded it on my VS and did some overdubs. Is this why it sounds so flat when compared to the other recordings in the contest?

Next time we will sync the sequencer to the VS, so that we can record decent samples lateron...

Sjoko, by the way, I listened to the song. But the internet kept overloading... Got to try it again when there's less trafic...
 
Okay, it must be me, everybody else seemed to have no problems...

1) Used your link, Sjoko, and hit the NoWhere Radio site. Great, picture there, other stuff to listen to, alright, ready to go.

2) I download songs, so I click on the d/l link. But it's not active, probably since I'm not a member. Solution? Become a member! (isn't your son affiliated with this site? I like the graphics!)

3) Click on "login" and then follow instructions for signing up. Great, everything works well and I get the email w/ directions for logging in.

4) I login.

5) I CAN'T FIND URU'S SITE. There is no "search" function on NoWhere. This is a BIG negative...

6) Try hitting the site through your link again, after I've "logged on." The d/l link is STILL not working.

7) Tried "browsing" the artists in alternative. Still no search function. And I'm not (actually, I probably WILL) sit there and flip through eight-bazillion "alternative" artists to find Uru's site (flipping, btw, five artists at a time, ugh...). I thought this might work because at this point I am "logged in" and therefore might be able to download the song.

8) Tried "save as", boy, that don't work.

9) Finally listened to lo-fi version, which produce feedback like "Sjoko, I'd record at a higher bitrate and a higher sample rate. Also, add more high end!" hehe.

10) I'll keep trying. (4:20 song? hehe, alright!)
 
AAAAAAAUGH!

Well, I found her site using "browse." It was the SECOND TO LAST LISTING, hehe.

AAAAAAAAAAAAUGH!

STILL CAN'T DOWNLOAD!

I'll try to give a listen tonight on work's T-1.
 
Hey kelly, I have the same problem. No download, Hifi play gets interupted all the time.

By the way, the browse thing isn't that bad, there's just 30 songs or so. hehe...

If you can download the galacticus song, then it's Sjoko's settings...
www.nowhereradio.com/artists/alternative/jimbomagic/

If not... well... hehe... euh...
 
hi sjoko,

you said that sync has a lot to do with the sound. Can you elaborate a little bit on how this works?

thanks

Also, I have now seen how much great work can be done with the software we have, but how much do you think one's sound would improve if one added a dedicated converter like an apogee rosetta, while leaving mics and pres the same.

peace
 
I couldn't get it to download either, would love to hear it.

Perhaps put it into a more standard download, maybe lycos, or mp3.com.

Let us know.
 
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