Guyatone Guitars..........

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Is there anyone here who does now about Guyatone or the company which did produce them. All I know about them is that they were a cheap Japanese copy brand, which produced gtrs. during the mid 60s untill early 1970s. I do know about the effect-brand Guyatone, but that may not be the same people.

I am interested in the company which made them, what kind of models they made and whether they do anything these days. Last year Ry Cooder mentioned in an interview with Guitar Player that he did own a few and did like them for their tone...........

So anyone here who could give some ideas, pointers where to search? I would be grateful for all your help and ideas.

Cheers,

Eddie
 
Yo Eddie:

Go to ebay and do a search for "guyatone guitars". I just turned up one in Canada with a current bid of $300 and another one listed as a "Teisco Del Rey" Guyatone guitar at 25 GBP.

Tio Ed
 
Eddie,
No help on where to find them but last year I got a Guyatone to refret and generally repair, it was 46 years old.
In my youth, about the same time as the guitar was made we generally thought them as being crap as we all lusted after strats and gibsons, however looking at this it was a surprise. It was really well made, it is owned by an aboriginal stockman (cowboy to you) and has had a really hard life, it looked like it had stoked a few campfires.
It has spent the last 46 years in the North West of Western Australia which is one of the driest hottest places in the world, consistently so. It has never been in a case. The wood had dried out so much that I was able to pull many of the frets out with my fingers, no tools!

It had the most complex expensively engineered wammy bar bar I have ever seen, it must have been a bugger to machine (I am a machinist) I was impressed.

After fretting and set up I put it thru my Fender "The Twin" and it rocked.
I'd say it is good for another 46 years.

As chance would have it I was at a friends place a few weeks later and they are Beatles fans and there on the cover of a book was George Harrison playing one in his early days.

I have told the shop I repair for that if the old guy ever wants to sell it I will give him a fair price for it.

I do know that the original company went belly up but the name has been used (bought?) by another company in recent times.

Clive
 
Thank You Texas Music, well I do not really want to buy one, but would like to know more about them, just out of general interest. Some info about the company and the kind of different types they made..........but thanks anyway.

Hello Clive,

That is really what we like to hear eh? A gtr. which has a story to tell, where it has been, what it has done, who has played it, ect.

It is great to hear how you turned that gtr. back into its former glory. What kind of pick-ups did it have? Ceramic or.............?

Also it goes to show that what we do not appreciate today may become sth. of a little more value in years to come.

I have got one from a friend, It does not have a trussrod [what about the one you repaired, did that have one?] and the neck feels like a bassball bat.........The frets are really small, and yes, they needed a fretdress. There was no tremelobridge on it [do not really know whether it is all original or......] I did replace the bridge with a Tune o Matic, this to improve the intonation and the overal stability of the tuning. The tuners are [forgotten the name, and as I am typing this in an internetcafe, I will give you the name later] kind of small too, and again, they may not be the original ones. The pick-ups are ceramic, and really, really microphonic.

There are two pick-ups and someone put an -Out-of Phase- option in the middle postion. The switch is like a Les-Paul, so front and back and a middle postion. So in the middle postion there is now the option of the Out-of Phase- sound. I am sure this is not original, but I dig the sound. And as I am typing this I should also mention that someone rewired the pick-ups, as they were a lot weaker than what they are now.

What kind of sounds does this gtr. give you? Think Strat: It is very bright, but not too tinny. Neck is Rosewood I think. The overal sound and playabiliy is very pleasing: Very light, but then I do have to say that this is a small-scale instrument too!

So Clive, I think from what you said, the one you did repair is probably very different from the one I have got here.

Before playing this one I was used to the Les Paul and an Ibanez JS, so both gtr. with humbuckers, well playing the Guya is a very different experience, the sound is light, the feel is cheap,[which I do like too] but in a good way, and it is sth. very different from what most folks play.

Sometimes cheap gtrs. may just have the look, but not the feel and the sound, but that is not the case with this one. So if someone of you does come across one, do give them a try but bear in mind that you may need to get some repair-work done before the instrument can really touch you........

Eddie
 
Yes, it is different from the one I had in, for the life of me I can't remember if it had 2 or 3 pickups, I think 2 but it had unusual pu switches, they were all together and were big rocker types - like giant light switches.

The intonation was adjustable and there was a truss rod, I'm going over to where my friends live today and I will try to get the photo and scan it for you but don't count on it being a success, me and computers hate each other.

I have no idea if they were ceramic or not, by the age I would assume alnico, but I've been wrong before.

Clive
 
Hello Clive,

The switch you mentioned may be similar to the one which is on mine, it is a large one too. I did mention it was like a Les Paul switch, well I mean the configuration of the pick-ups, that looks like Gibson to me.

The tuners are probably Schaller, they have a large S at the back and it says "made in West-Germany". The back of the tuners is black, but the actual tuner is silver.

Do not worry if the scanning of the picture will not work, look at me here, I do not have a visual image too. Do not have the equipment at home so........just rely on words and how well we are able to use these to describe what is going on.

See ya later,

Eddie
 
timmerman said:
Is there anyone here who does now about Guyatone or the company which did produce them. All I know about them is that they were a cheap Japanese copy brand, which produced gtrs. during the mid 60s untill early 1970s.


Hey, here's an excerpt from a Vintage Guitar article that might be of some help:

" a prominent company called the Tokyo Sound Co., Ltd. which was responsible for making Guyatone guitars, another major early Japanese brand, some of which came to the United States as Kent guitars imported by New York’s Bugeleisen & Jacobson and others."

source: http://www.vintageguitar.com/brands/details.asp?ID=64

The effects Guyatone is the same company, just a spinoff.

Tokyo Sound Email: sales@tokyosound.co.jp <sales@tokyosound.co.jp>
Website: http://www.tokyosound.co.jp/
Address: 3-36-14, Takaido-Higashi, Suginami-ku, Tokyo 168-0072
Telephone/Fax: Tel: +81-3-3333-8711 Fax: +81-3-3331-8718

hope this helps...
 
Guys,
Johnathon, thanks for putting the link to Tiesco - I remember them too, a good friend had one but couldn't wait to get rid of it and another very good player I met had one which really did sound good, but he had rewound the pickups.
Timmerman,
Back to the Guyatone, around 1961/2 we had a piano player who we cajoled/bullied/persuaded, to take up bass. When in desperation he gave in and got a Guyatone. It was genuinely awful, it was undoubtedly the worst I have ever seen, he did learn on it however and then went on to get decent gear and become a really top bass player. It was nothing like the quality of the one I worked on. I'm still in the process of going to get the photo.
Clive
 
Jonathan and Clive,

Thanks so far, get not go into long reply at moment, will get further into detail later,

Cheers,

Eddie
 
Thanks again Johnathan for your informative link on Guya gtrs. The knobs and the pickup-selector [chick-beak rotary three-way switch] look very similar to the ones which are on mine. Have not been able to dectect the model yet, perhaps it is a later one than the ones being mentioned in the link.

Cheers,

Eddie
 
Clive Hugh said:
Yes, it is different from the one I had in, for the life of me I can't remember if it had 2 or 3 pickups, I think 2 but it had unusual pu switches, they were all together and were big rocker types - like giant light switches.

The intonation was adjustable and there was a truss rod, I'm going over to where my friends live today and I will try to get the photo and scan it for you but don't count on it being a success, me and computers hate each other.

I have no idea if they were ceramic or not, by the age I would assume alnico, but I've been wrong before.

Clive
Clive,
I just ran across your post from a few years ago re the "complex" Guyatone whammy bar. I just purchased a '60's Guya and the wammy bar/spring, etc is missing. Could you tell me more about it? A photo would be fantastic. Cheers! Charlie
 
I recently bought a Guyatone Victoria at a guitar shop in West St. Paul while my buddy was looking for a guitar of his own. I saw it on the top of a shelf and had to play it. I plugged it in and I fell in love with it. I bought it that day and had to get the neck re-pitched. There seems to be a modification on the top horn. It's a kill-switch, but I don't think it's original.


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Another newbie necro-ing a 7-year-old thread.

What does 'repitching' a neck mean?
 
I never did understand the need to seek out and buy cheap guitars with an action of 1" off the fretboard. Or replace all the parts with "good ones" to make it better. Just buy a quality axe.
 
I never did understand the need to seek out and buy cheap guitars with an action of 1" off the fretboard. Or replace all the parts with "good ones" to make it better. Just buy a quality axe.

I think it's because those old 60s/70s Jap oddballs are cool. Most of them have their own unique sound. Some of them are indeed junk and some of them are good but have gone wongo via years of neglect and maybe improper storage. Nothing wrong with reviving one. Not everyone wants the same standard guitars everyone else has.
 
I think it's because those old 60s/70s Jap oddballs are cool. Most of them have their own unique sound. Some of them are indeed junk and some of them are good but have gone wongo via years of neglect and maybe improper storage. Nothing wrong with reviving one. Not everyone wants the same standard guitars everyone else has.

Agreed - unique sounds are good for variety but most of the cheap guitars I've tried are just poorly made and sound like crap. lol
 
Agreed - unique sounds are good for variety but most of the cheap guitars I've tried are just poorly made and sound like crap. lol

You aint wrong. A lot of those old japanese oddballs are made pretty well though. They just need some TLC.
 
Agreed again - Japanese have made a lot of great guitars over the years. I played a Squire way back when they first came out (Japan in the early 80's ?) that was super light but had a fantastic action and feel. Should have bought it but it was a rental while mine was in the shop. I think Colin James used one but I'm not sure. I THINK it was Japanese but I may be way off. I bought an Ibanez LP (first real guitar in my teens that was pretty sweet) but I replaced it with a LP Deluxe Goldtop (the real thing).
 
Agreed again - Japanese have made a lot of great guitars over the years. I played a Squire way back when they first came out (Japan in the early 80's ?) that was super light but had a fantastic action and feel. Should have bought it but it was a rental while mine was in the shop. I think Colin James used one but I'm not sure. I THINK it was Japanese but I may be way off. I bought an Ibanez LP (first real guitar in my teens that was pretty sweet) but I replaced it with a LP Deluxe Goldtop (the real thing).

I played a genuine lawsuit Ibanez LP recently and it was a sweet guitar. Very nice.

And our good buddy RayC plays a Guyatone!
 
Yep I have a Guyatone, two Bruno's and an Emperador in my little axe assembly. I've only done the smallest bits of tweaking, (a set up after a decade of use by me, replacement of the cable jack clamp and some soldering). Each is unique/cute/funky/weird and they all sound interesting. I did buy a new $80 delivered online guitar with a mind to Frankensteining it but was surprised at how useful the sound is and have kept is as bought. I can't see the point in replacing all the hardware/pickups etc though. Bringing a thing up to kindasorta near original condition/sound is as far as I'd go.
The Guyatone has the best ROCK sound/is the best match for a valve amp of the guitars by the way.
 
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