guitar wood tone

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I'm considering building a hollow body guitar. My question is how do different woods affect the sound? Is it different for electric guitars than it is for acoustic guitars? Is it different for hollow body guitars than it is for solid body guitars? I have an old yamaha classical guitar with the most amazing tone in the world, and I'm almost positive it has everything to do with the wood (also probably because the wood is aged). I cant remember right now what kind of wood its made of, but should i find out and use that kind of wood when building my hollow body?

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kasey
 
by the way i'm buying the body... not building it out of wood, because that would be super hard.
 
in my experience, classical guitars just sound better. they have descriptions of the different wood types at warmoth.com.
 
I think the Collings Guitars site has something on tone.

It really is a huge subject.
 
This is just an observation from owning several hollow body guitars over the years, I have no data to back this up other than my personal experinces. Tighter grain woods like maple or cherry seem to have a brighter tone while wood with an open grain like mahogany has more of a mellow tone. Spruce, which is common on acoustic guitars dosen't seem to be a primary feature on hollow body electrics. A semi hollow body will be less prone to feedback.
 
Dani Pace said:
Spruce, which is common on acoustic guitars dosen't seem to be a primary feature on hollow body electrics.

any idea as to why that is? I discovered that the classical i was talking about, my baby, is made of orange spruce. Are hollowbodies never made of spruce?
 
Spruce may be used on some but I don't know of any, I'm going to have to research this a little. The heavier woods give a hollow body more of a solid feel and more strength, I guess a tailpiece with a whammy would crash through a spruce top. I'm sure there are some other reasons, these are just the obvious ones. For what it's worth...hollow body electrics evolved from arched top acoustics, I wonder what they were (are) mostly made of?
 
Dani Pace said:
For what it's worth...hollow body electrics evolved from arched top acoustics, I wonder what they were (are) mostly made of?


Well, if you are thinking of, for instance, a Gibson 335, they are made of laminated maple. The arch is pressed in as part of the gluing process. Same with the back and sides.


Light

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there are apparently a number of hollowbodys made with a spruce top, and either maple or mahogany sides and back. I'm thinking i'm gunna go for spruce top with mahogany sides and back.
 
Kasey said:
there are apparently a number of hollowbodys made with a spruce top, and either maple or mahogany sides and back. I'm thinking i'm gunna go for spruce top with mahogany sides and back.

Acoustic guitars use spruce, because it has an incredible strength to weight ratio, but it is a soft wood, and does not have the strength of most hardwoods. The Arch tops that use it are more acoustics than electrics. If you are making an electric, it will be a disapointment. Certainly, if you want to use an electric bridge or bridge/tailpiece you will need a block of what ever your back wood is right under the area, so you will get none of the resonance of the spruce.

Now, if you are thinking of making a big archtop guitar, well, you are getting yourself into a lot more than you relize. First of all, you are about 90% to be disapointed with your first effort. And that is if you are an experience woodworker. If you are not, then it will take you at least a dozen before you get what you are after. I would HIGHLY advise you make a few flat tops first, and that you START with a kit, such as the ones made by Stewart MacDonald or LMI. If that doesn't interest you, at the very least buy a copy of Bob Benedetto's book and video series. Stew Mac has them as a set.

One other thing. Do not for one second imagin you will save any money by building a guitar. I save money by building my own guitars, but that is because I already have a shop which is designed for building guitars, and I have wholesale sources for all my parts and pieces and wood. And really, I lose money when I keep the guitars I make, but that is a whole other issue. You will find, however, that you need to spend a great deal of money on tools, and wood (particularly mahogany) is expensive. Mahogany is VERY expensive right now, and only getting more expensive. The supply is shrinking very fast, and let me tell you that I am very glad to have a large supply of wood which I've had for a long time. (If you are thinking of an archtop guitar, mahogany is also not a very popular wood for archtops, so you are going to spend a lot more money trying to find a suitable piece of wood for the back.)

I don't want to sound like I am discouraging you from building a guitar. I am not. Building guitars is a great hobby, and a lot of fun. I very much encourage you to do it, but you need to do it from a place of information. Go out and buy as many books as you can on the subject, most notably the Cumpiano book "Guitarmaking," for acoustics and Bob Bennedetto's book for archtops. And yes, there is a lot of information on the internet as well, but you must tred softly as not all of it is good. This is also why I encourage you to start with something like the Stew Mac or LMI kits, as they both come with really good instructions and videos (or that is what everyone I know who has used them says). They are great skill builders, which is a very important thing for your first guitar, as you are likely to finish it and think something along the lines of, "well, that could have been better." A kit will also help get the quality of the first one a lot higher.


Light

"Cowards can never be moral."
M.K. Gandhi
 
Man I wish Light lived next door to me. Anyone with as much knowledge as he has and willingness to share would make a great neighbor.
 
I don't want neighbors who share knowledge. I want neighbors who share power tools. And beer. Lots of beer.
 
GoldFalcon said:
I don't want neighbors who share knowledge. I want neighbors who share power tools. And beer. Lots of beer.


Well, I'm afraid I don't drink much, and my insurance agent has a hissy fit if I let anyone use my power tools. Hell, she won't even let me loan anyone a chisel. Sorry.


Light

"Cowards can never be moral."
M.K. Gandhi
 
Light said:
Acoustic guitars use spruce, because it has an incredible strength to weight ratio, but it is a soft wood, and does not have the strength of most hardwoods. The Arch tops that use it are more acoustics than electrics. If you are making an electric, it will be a disapointment. Certainly, if you want to use an electric bridge or bridge/tailpiece you will need a block of what ever your back wood is right under the area, so you will get none of the resonance of the spruce.

Now, if you are thinking of making a big archtop guitar, well, you are getting yourself into a lot more than you relize. First of all, you are about 90% to be disapointed with your first effort. And that is if you are an experience woodworker. If you are not, then it will take you at least a dozen before you get what you are after. I would HIGHLY advise you make a few flat tops first, and that you START with a kit, such as the ones made by Stewart MacDonald or LMI. If that doesn't interest you, at the very least buy a copy of Bob Benedetto's book and video series. Stew Mac has them as a set.

One other thing. Do not for one second imagin you will save any money by building a guitar. I save money by building my own guitars, but that is because I already have a shop which is designed for building guitars, and I have wholesale sources for all my parts and pieces and wood. And really, I lose money when I keep the guitars I make, but that is a whole other issue. You will find, however, that you need to spend a great deal of money on tools, and wood (particularly mahogany) is expensive. Mahogany is VERY expensive right now, and only getting more expensive. The supply is shrinking very fast, and let me tell you that I am very glad to have a large supply of wood which I've had for a long time. (If you are thinking of an archtop guitar, mahogany is also not a very popular wood for archtops, so you are going to spend a lot more money trying to find a suitable piece of wood for the back.)

I don't want to sound like I am discouraging you from building a guitar. I am not. Building guitars is a great hobby, and a lot of fun. I very much encourage you to do it, but you need to do it from a place of information. Go out and buy as many books as you can on the subject, most notably the Cumpiano book "Guitarmaking," for acoustics and Bob Bennedetto's book for archtops. And yes, there is a lot of information on the internet as well, but you must tred softly as not all of it is good. This is also why I encourage you to start with something like the Stew Mac or LMI kits, as they both come with really good instructions and videos (or that is what everyone I know who has used them says). They are great skill builders, which is a very important thing for your first guitar, as you are likely to finish it and think something along the lines of, "well, that could have been better." A kit will also help get the quality of the first one a lot higher.


Light

"Cowards can never be moral."
M.K. Gandhi

Ditto.................I build lapsteels and resonators....this ain't cheap but it is very rewarding after you throw away the first few guitars :D
 
The last lapsteel I built was made from a 40 year old slab of maple........burnt up 3 band saw blades just cutting the basic shape.....spent 3 months shaping it to my specs, had the intentions of selling it but, after so much time......I'm gonna play it myself!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
 
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