Guitar linking park

[Tijpels]

I'm wondering how the guitar in the song " numb " has been recorded and mixed. I also like to have such a fat guitar sound in my songs but it doesn't seem to work? I have been looking on this forum and what I read a lot is doubling the guitar and pan them left and right. I move one of these a 40msec to the right? although, that does not yet give the same sound. Is it possible that the guitar part has been doubled more than once, let say 10 times, and then all panned differently? Are these 10 copies then al processed differently?

Thanks,

Steven

 

[noiseportrait]

Yes, you are correct. The guitarist from linkin park layers about 6-10 tracks of the same guitar part, and then pans them mostly hard left and hard right. The hard part is that with so many guitar tracks you have to be VERY tight with your guitar playing or it will just get really muddy. I've tried it before. It's a bitch to get right. You have to play and record each track separately. Just doubling the same guitar track and delaying it doesn't work nearly as well. Some other tricks you can try are completely retuning your guitar for each track, playing the same part on different places on the neck, using different amps or guitars for each track, and hiding clean tracks underneath the distorted guitar. I know that the guitarist from linkin park will also layer some tracks of straight octaves behind the full power chords. All of this can help to give you that thick guitar sound that you want. Remember that a good guitar sound starts with a decent tube amp and proper mic placement. A pod can work well for some of the layered stuff, but a good tube amp is almost a necessity for the guitar sound that you're going for. Lots of compression is usually used as well.

For starters try this:

panned hard left:
Track1: miced distorted guitar - power chords
track 2: miced distorted guitar - octaves

panned hard right:
Track 3: miced distorted guitar - same power chords played in different position
Track 4: line in clean - power chords in original postion

I've tried it this way before and it sounded very nice IMHO.

 

[tubesrawsom]

wow just picked up alot of info here this bbs rox

 

[chessrock]

a good guitar sound starts with a decent tube amp and proper mic placement. A pod can work well for some of the layered stuff, but a good tube amp is almost a necessity for the guitar sound that you're going for.

Very true. If you want that kind of sound, it's going to be tough if you're not plugging in to a Mesa triple rectifier (actually, a lot of the nu metal guys go solid state).

 

[fldrummer]

I have the dvd from Meteora and in the studio I think I saw 2/3 indepndently miked marshall amp/cabs.

 

[Verraes]

First, it's tijpels again, but now logged in with my first userid and password (I forgot it once and did remember it later, but in the mean time I created a new userid).
Noiseportrait, I really appreciate your answer. The perfect answer on my question. (It 's not a stereotype answer that many others would give). Thanks,

Verraes (or tijpels)

 

[RyanEmerson]

What do you mean when you say play "octaves"? As in the same bar chords, but an octave higher? Harmonics?

 

[something cool]

What do you mean when you say play "octaves"? As in the same bar chords, but an octave higher? Harmonics?

Power chords are arranged root, 5th, root, the second root being an octave higher than the first:

-----R--
-----5--
-R------

So what he means by octaves (pretty sure) is to just take out the 5th, and mute that string (works best for me with the index finger):

-----R--
-----X--
-R------

Makes for a clearer and more piercing (if not as full) tone which cuts through the mix and sounds good layered on top of the original chord.

I'm sure you probably knew all that, but it was the easiest way I could lay it out without just saying, "well, erm, you know ... octaves!"

 

[EleKtriKaz]

something cool gave an accurate description of an octave. You're just playing the root note and then the same root note one octave higher. So a C octave of a C power chord would just be
3-------
---X----
-------5
The "X' meaning that you mute that middle string where the 5th would normally be played.

Stupid thing messed up my graphic

 

[faderbug]

playing solo's in octaves is a technique propably as old as jazz guitar itself.
jimi did it extensively.

 

[Alchemist3k]

It's a really hard thing to get right. It also helps if you have a nice fat sounding guitar to start with, such a Les Paul. A single coil strat just isn't going to cut it no matter how heavy the distortion.

To be honest, this is something I'm trying to improve on myself. I've never been happy with heavy guitar sound I've recorded before. I'd really like to know more about the panning positions.