guitar direct into 424 III

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Last night I was trying to go direct into my 424 so the drummer could play along with me without his mics picking up my amp. I tried going out from the back of my amp and I tried going right into the recorder from the guitar, but it sounds like absolute shit. It's VERY thin, VERY low in volume, and only comes out of one side of the headphones. I'm not looking for perfection, just something that can be played along to without causing a giant headache.

I haven't gone direct into the 424 before, but I used to with the porta 2 without any problems like this. I don't know if I've lost my mind or what.

So, if anyone has experience going direct into the 424, I'd sure appreciate if you could tell me what you do.

thanks...

Adam
 
Plugging the guitar in directly sucks. A distortion pedal will help a bit. But running the "Out" of your amp to the recorder should sound fine. It may not sound "live and rocking" but it's always worked on my 414.

Have you tried close micing the guitar amp and putting it in another room so that the drum mics don't pick it up?

You could give the drummer and yourself headphone mixes with the guitar but since it's in another room the drum mics are less likely to pick it up.

Right?

Danny
 
Well for some reason it doesn't matter how I go direct, whether it be from the amp/effects box/or just guitar. It all sounds like garbage. I thought about putting the amp someplace else, but I sort of have my amp built into this big cabinet-type thing which is difficult to move. I may just have to take it out of there.
 
thats why the pod, yamaha dg, j station and sans amp are so popular.

theres some stuff here about ways to record guitar with good tone, about wich devices are useful etc..

http://www.amptone.com

If you like the sound of your amp and want to use it direct the you may want a cabinet emulator that will take your amps load such as the ones made by palmer.

Your exact predicament is whay the pods so popular.

Also, i dont know if this would help but running from your amp direct but first into an art mp then adding compression and eq might beef it up.

And I REALLY do hope your not running out the back of your head into the recorder from the output thats for the cabinet cause thats REALLY NOT GOOD DONT DO IT...

so i'll assume youre smart enough to use the recording
out thats on your amp(if it has one)

Personally id love to own this-
http://www.mesaboogie.com/Product_Info/Formula/formula.html

what ypu can do is use a di, then later run you signal from the portastudio into your amp and record that.

for more info on this check out the thread "whats a di"
 
Every once in a while I start thinking about getting a POD, but so far have kicked myself in the ass fast enough before these dirty thoughts actually get me reaching for my wallet. Not that I have anything against them really-I know a lot of people like them and I think that's great-I just prefer big hairy amps. You can't rest a beer on a POD, can you?

thanks for the info, Robert.
 
This is just a thought, but if you're tracking drums is it that big a deal that the guitar actually sound good?

I know in a somewhat pro environment, you might consider it important to have a good guitar sound running to the drummer for the sake of energizing his/her performance. But at home, all bets are off. I run guitar direct to a headphone mix for the drummer all the time. When we've got a good take, I mic up the cab and let it scream.

Again, just a thought. May not apply to your situation.
 
lazyboy said:
This is just a thought, but if you're tracking drums is it that big a deal that the guitar actually sound good?
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No, not at all, but when I say the sound is bad, I mean it's too bad to even use as a reference. We both had headaches after about 15 minutes! The signal is very weak and distorted, forcing us to blast it in order to make it out. Very frustrating.
 
When you plug the guitar 'direct' to the 424 what channel are you using and what are your settings on that channel (trim, EQs, pan, fader) and input selector switch? You likely heard the guitar initially through only one side of the headphones if the signal was panned hard left or right and you listened back in L-R mode rather than in mono.
 
No, pan was set in center, all open channels were given a shot, and the eq fingered to death. I'm too busy this week to have another go at it- which sucks because I'm 10 feet from everything at this very moment but can't do anything about it. I plan on having some time Thursday though, so hopefully will figure something out...

thanks,

Adam
 
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