Great Acoustic Guitar Mic

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Didn't he say they were in different positions?

All I really heard was more bass response out of mic 2 and that was about it. Interesting thread though; thanks for posting it.
 
chessrock said:
Didn't he say they were in different positions?

All I really heard was more bass response out of mic 2 and that was about it. Interesting thread though; thanks for posting it.
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Yeah, he probably optimized positions for each mic to get the best sound, which is the best way to compare mics, IMHO.

If you just heard the bass, listen to it some more, maybe through phones or another source. To me, it sounds like the whole overall resonant frequency is shifted. Plus, the R84's high end is more dynamic and transparent. The 4033 sounds more one dimensional. The R84 sounds more 3-D. It’s like sitting in the same room with the instrument - just more real.
 
It's actually pretty interesting the way you describe it.


I guess I'm just kinda' trained to listen for completely different things. Most of the time, I'm trying to cram a bunch of stuff together in a busy mix, so I tend to evaluate things in terms of their mixability.

You are right, though, and if I were recording a solo accoustic piece, that would be the ticket.
 
Heh heh. I’m just an acoustic guitar coinsurer, can’t you tell? :D

I must admit, though. When I first heard the 4033, I thought IT was the ticket, until I heard the R84.

Actually, in light of your comments, the 4033 would work better in a busy mix.
 
Pardon my ignorance but I've not heard of AEA before. Can someone shed some more light for me on this brand? Website perhaps?

Cheers
 
Flatpicker said:
Heh heh. I’m just an acoustic guitar coinsurer, can’t you tell? :D

I must admit, though. When I first heard the 4033, I thought IT was the ticket, until I heard the R84.

Actually, in light of your comments, the 4033 would work better in a busy mix.
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According to an article I read awhile back the 4033 is used a lot on acoustic guitars in Nashville.
 
The T.H.E. "KP-6M" has become one of my absolute drop dead favorite acoustic instrument mics in the under $400- weight class... in the "over $400 weight class" there is a new mic coming out from Josephson Engineering called the "e22S" that has been a seriously wonderful tool... though the Joesphson C-42 is no slouch by any stretch of the imagination.

Best of luck with your search.
 
Fletcher said:
The T.H.E. "KP-6M" has become one of my absolute drop dead favorite acoustic instrument mics in the under $400- weight class... in the "over $400 weight class" there is a new mic coming out from Josephson Engineering called the "e22S" that has been a seriously wonderful tool... though the Joesphson C-42 is no slouch by any stretch of the imagination.

Best of luck with your search.
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Thanks for the heads-up! Do you know how much the Josephson e22S is going to run?
 
The "e22S" was originally made for Steve Albini of Electrical Audio. One day Steve was bitching to me that he wished he could get David Josephson to make more of them...

I mentioned to David that if he made this a 'production model' it would proably be a good idea... as a marketing mook I felt pretty strongly that a 'Steve Albini mic' would proably gain some pretty good acceptance within the marketplace... and so was born the "e22S" .

As a recording engineer I was absolutely floored when David sent over the production prototype [which is still of the original "606/609" variety... but the new ones will have the "e22S" badge]

The mic should be a production model by the end of this year and will probably run around the $1,500 range.
 
Fletcher said:
The mic should be a production model by the end of this year and will probably run around the $1,500 range.
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:eek:
OTOH, if I had a pro studio and the $$ was rolling in...

Oh well, dream on, right?
 
You may want to checkout the Joesphson C42 then... their only about $450.
 
I am so happy people post recording examples. At the moment I am looking for a better vocal mic than the c3000b I must have bought by mistake. So the at4033 is high on the list right now. If the mic can second for acoustic guitar recording that will be all I need.

And what nice guitar recording it does. Contrary to you I like the sound of the at4033 best. It's got a full bottom and still there a shimmering highs and detail, exactly enough for my taste. The R84 has too much top end, exaggerating top end detail, which is probably what gives you the 3D feel.
 
tombuur said:
I am so happy people post recording examples.
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AAaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrggggggggggghhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!

Dude... what mic couples with any given sound in any given application is a function of A) the source; B) the mic; C) the position of the microphone in relation to the source; D) the arrangement [sonic and musical]; E) the way all the hardware couples; F) some other intangible shit I can't think of off the top of me pointed little head at the moment.

The only way to evaluate any equipment is in your own facitlity, on your own schedule, on your music [or the music on which you're working]. Period.

What anyone does, what tools they use, what techniques they employ, are almost totally irrelevant to your reality.

People posting examples is all well and good for the people doing the posting... for anyone trying to make a meaningful evaluation of from that posting... you're just kidding yourself.

We can share suggestions for tools and techniques on a forum like this... but as far as making final judgements is concerned... you have to do that on your own... audio hardware, like women, scotch, and the car you drive are personal decisions that have to be made as they relate to your personal taste and sense of aesthetic.

Best of luck with it bro... don't buy into the horseshit!!!!
 
Of course, you are right. That is why I am getting rid of the c3000b after having tried it. How much did it cost me to try it then? Probably $100-150. Things are more expensive over here, and we pay 25% sales tax + import taxes.

As for Audio-Technica, you can't buy them here in Denmark. So I will have to import one. Wonder what that will cost me, if it isn't the right one?

But the fact that someone can make it sound great on a guitar shows it has the potential. On the other hand, why should I import a mic if I dislike all the recordings I have heard. The odds are that the one with a great recording might also work for me.
 
tombuur said:
But the fact that someone can make it sound great on a guitar shows it has the potential. On the other hand, why should I import a mic if I dislike all the recordings I have heard. The odds are that the one with a great recording might also work for me.
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This is true!

Fletcher, I'm really interested in the T.H.E. mic! Anything that can be called a drop dead favorite must have some merit... Well, now I feel dumb asking you to post a sample, and you're right, it's useless... Do you know of any other reviews on this mic? You're the only person that I've ever seen selling the T.H.E. line... No idea where I could test one, but I'd like to...
 
Taylor Johnson theboss@theaudio.com is the brother who runs T.H.E.... give him a shout and I'm sure he'll be more than happy to send you reviews or turn you on to where/how you can check one out.
 
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