Give me guidance please!

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Trumpspade

I'M BLESSED.......
As y'all know, I have NEVER posted a beat in here because that is not my thing at all. But I opened up Reason 2.5 on my laptop and started messing around with it a bit and this is what I came up with. I am going to reconstruct it when I get free time to be more creative and make it a bit more bumping. Anyway, here it is. Let me know what I can do to spice it up a bit and make it bump harder. You'll get the idea of where I was trying to go with it.

I know the beatmakers in here that impress me, please don't diss me. I am totally new to this! I want to start building a library of Original Hiphop beats and RnB Beats to keep on file.......

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=420386&content=music
 
First of all, for your first one I would say its pretty impressive, better than a lot of shit I hear from people who have been doing it for a while.

I would also like to say that I do not like this style of beats, commercial rap sounding, but I will give my opions based from a musical stand point.

The beat is good, I think making beats from samples on software is harder than sampling yourself IMO. I would like to suggest you try making some different parts to it, intro verse, hook, bridge, etc. This will help to change it up and provide who ever writes to it a better feel for the music. It helps provide more of an emotional anchor linked to lyrics and music.

As far as making it "bump" harder, I dont know exactly what you mean. Are you talking about the drums hitting harder, or the whole track as a whole?? What I do, as im sure others do, is after I make a beat I render each individual track as a .wav file, then take all those files and mix them in another program. This may help you, I dont know though.

I would just focus on trying to make one or two other parts for the beat, I think it will really help a lot. BTW, I myself am not that good at producing beats, I am jsut trying to give you some advice man.

Good track though, impressive. Good luck on your future endevours
 
Trumpspade, I too like this beat and I must say that its a helluva lot better than the first beat I every posted...lol.

Here's a little advice to help you...play around with the velocities of your hi-hat, snare and hand claps. make each hit just a little different as far as volume and it will give you a more "realistic" feel, as they are right now, they sound like a drum machine. A real person can't duplicate the same snare hit, hand clap or hi-hat each time so change that up a little and you'll see for yourself how much difference it'll make in your music. That also works very well with bass guitar, keys and lead guitars.

Another nice trick is to pan from side to side on your hi-hats, (not too dramatic just subtle changes will take your beat from a digital to an anolog feel) that will give you a nice stereo effect.

Once again, for a first time hip hop beat you get an A from me, I'm very impressed...good work!

dac
 
Dac, damn good point about velocity, I forgot to mention that. And the panning was also a good point, I dont do that with the hats, but other things I do. I notice Kanye does often as well.

Disclaimer: I do not like Kayne as a person or a rapper at all, but he is a fucking sick ass producer:D
 
Not bad for your first Trizza. Very repetitive, but that can be easily fixed in Reason.
I can tell you used Reason on it (only because some of the sounds sound so familiar to me).

Now for the critique.
You want more punch in your bass, try throwing up a Maelstrom bassline (just the default patch on a low pitch)...works wonders trust me on that. Or you can try "Filter Wheeler" on the Subtractor (in the Factory Sound Bank) also a good starter bass.

You might want to work on some trickier hi hats, just to up your game a little more. The mix is nice (especially for a first). In all honesty, I'd seriously advise to upgrade from Reason 3 to 4 because the refills were updated and some of the sounds were done 10x better than before, especially in NN-XT.

Also to switch up the melody, try throwing in some extra synth melodies just to throw the track off here and there and keep people listening. A nice intro to the beat would make it better too (IMO).

If you need some tutoring and resources for Reason, look me up fam, got some things you might be able to use.

Fie.
 
yo im feelin the track- its hot! i think for commercial music - u dont really have to make any "changes" between verse and hook, etc. MOST radio blaring tracks out there today go pretty much the same way all the way thru. NOT thats its good to do it, but most commercial, radio tracks are . . sticking to a "as simple as possible" formula . ..

now for music-heads (hip hop, rnb, rock, etc.) real CORE fans NEED to hear the complexities, so 4 dem - do some change ups like pplz is sayin in here already.

there are ways to do "small" changes so subtle difference come out . . . sorta plzin both sides of the aisle . . . like velocity to the hi hatz (although im still unsure what velocity really is, - but i do try different sounding effects, etc. to hi hats (occasionally) to try n show some variation -

this track is definitly hot though - no doubt about it!
 
Thank you everbody!

Advice well taken.............

Fiev I'll be bugging you bro', you should have never opened the door. (LOL) I anxiously want to get this software thing going, so I will incorporate all of what you guys said.......I have a concept in mind for the verse, maybe some laid back violins or something..........I do need more refills too! It's damn shame you can say "Hey, he's using reason"......(LOL)

But thanks for the crtiques, it makes a lot of sense, and I got what I was looking for so far. (I hope)
 
dacalion said:
Trumpspade, I too like this beat and I must say that its a helluva lot better than the first beat I every posted...lol.

Here's a little advice to help you...play around with the velocities of your hi-hat, snare and hand claps. make each hit just a little different as far as volume and it will give you a more "realistic" feel, as they are right now, they sound like a drum machine. A real person can't duplicate the same snare hit, hand clap or hi-hat each time so change that up a little and you'll see for yourself how much difference it'll make in your music. That also works very well with bass guitar, keys and lead guitars.

Another nice trick is to pan from side to side on your hi-hats, (not too dramatic just subtle changes will take your beat from a digital to an anolog feel) that will give you a nice stereo effect.

Once again, for a first time hip hop beat you get an A from me, I'm very impressed...good work!

dac
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Great Info!
Makes alot of sense...........
Thanks..................
 
gullyjewelz said:
now for music-heads (hip hop, rnb, rock, etc.) real CORE fans NEED to hear the complexities, so 4 dem - do some change ups like pplz is sayin in here already.
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Everyone on this site always says this when someone posts a repetitive beat but I don't think I can agree with this. There are so many producers (most notably pretty much every famous producer that was big during the 90's -- dre, rza, premier, havoc, marley marl, and so on) that have a beat consisting of 1, 2, or 4 bars that repeats the entire song. Granted, a lot of these producers also had the ability to scratch and stuff, which ended up making slight breaks in the tracks and whatnot, but for the most part the couple of bars repeat on end for 4 minutes and due to quality rappers, you don't even notice.

Now I know that times have changed and people like kanye and stoupe compose freaking symphonies to rap over but the old school "punch em in the face" type music will never go out of style in my opinion.

That being said, there are 2 particular things about this beat that make it sound distinctly like a "club" type beat.
1. fast, uneven, and overpowering hi hats
2. using a clap sound rather than a snare

If the "club" sort of sound is what you are going for, then I guess I would stick with how it is. But if you are trying to make a beat for a regular rapper rather than a pop artist then I would change those 2 things. I realize that a lot of people disagree with me, but I have always felt like the really fast, overbearing hi-hat thing (which is used in damn near every club song from the past 8 years) is inappropriate in a proper beat. Hearing that in the beat automatically makes me think that a terrible rapper is about to come on. Also in my opinion clap sounds are gay and snares always sound better. That's one that a lot of people disagree on though so I don't expect you to follow me there.


So it all really depends on what type of sound you are going for. Right now this beat sounds like hurricane chris or somebody of the sort is going to come on. If you don't do anything else to it, I would at least cut the velocity of the hi-hats in about half, right now they are ear-grating.

This is pretty good work and I hope you enjoyed making it. The thing about beatmaking is, whenever I don't like how a beat is sounding and I can't think of how to revise it, I just start right over with a new idea. I've made about 20 beats now and until about #18 I hadn't come up with anything that could really be used. You learn a good bit every new beat that you start to make, so this being your first, instead of revising it you might do what I do and just start over with a new idea, cause likely you'll end up with something twice as good.
 
also, I believe the links are dead on this post, but maybe if you snuggle with noddy or boogie master they'll let you into the club.

https://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=244865

He posted thousands of importable drum sounds sampled from real producers. If you can manage to get your hands on these packs it will give you drums that are more appropriately suited to hip-hop. It was the best post ever posted on this website and they deserve a freaking peace prize for putting those packs up.
 
Good Look on your post Pro404...............


It was damn good reading!

I love you guys;);););););););););););)
 
gully, think of velocity as volume (as far as this goes anyway)...if you took some drumsticks and starting playing the drums, each single contact with the drum head would be different as far as pressure applied. Now if you program the same thing with a drum machine or daw, each and every hit would be exactly the same (too perfect) to even sound like a real person playing. figga deal me?

On your keyboard, you will find that your keys are pressure sensitive (if you hit them harder they play louder), as a keyboardist you vary the pressure on the keys as you play giving the sound emotion and a real feel vs programming a keyboard pattern where ALL the notes are the same volume with no emotion or feel.

hope that helps,

dac
 
Trumpspade said:
Thank you everbody!

Advice well taken.............

Fiev I'll be bugging you bro', you should have never opened the door. (LOL) I anxiously want to get this software thing going, so I will incorporate all of what you guys said.......I have a concept in mind for the verse, maybe some laid back violins or something..........I do need more refills too! It's damn shame you can say "Hey, he's using reason"......(LOL)
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How do you think I get a hold of stuff that most people don't have....I networked and swapped sounds like CRAZY! Some of it I paid for out of pocket, some of it I chipped in with others and and then we all copied and swapped. Most of it I googled and downloaded for free.

First thing you should do is check out sf2midi.com and download as much as you can. They have a HUGE arsenal of soundfonts that you can use in NN-XT and Redrum that will beef up your tracks.
 
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