Gappin when editing...make it stop...if possible

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ok...for now i primarily record hip hop...as u know (if u recorded it before) there is alot of editing to the drums and melody to bring out the lyrics...like completely takin out the drums for a few bars or half a bar and the same wit the melody every time i do this in Sonar there is an audio gap and the beats are in MIDI code...its just real annoying when ur vibing u wanna cut it and delete and there's a 2-3 second gap...anyway around it or is that a short fall in Sonar? if so does anyone know if Nuendo has the same problem i hear everyone raving about it, and that 32 bit floatin point supposedly sounds better then 24....sounds like more letters to cakewalk to improve Sonar 2 when it comes out
 
If I understand what your question actually is, I think you are cuuting up you audio to remove sections? and the cuts are happening only on bar lines?

This is not a "problem" with SONAR, you simply have it set to use a grid in placing the cursor. You need to turn that off, then you can freely place the cursor anywhere you want down to the smallest resolution.
 
i have no problem wit that....its when me and the artist are listening to the song to edit the instrumental...i use outboard gear as instruments so all the beats are in MIDI in sonar so i found it strange when i cut and delete midi that there is a gap
and its annoying f*cks up the vibe when every 5 seconds theres a 2-3 second gap cuz i just cut out a kick or snare or a bass or string etc..
 
I'm not totally sure what you're talking about.

Are you saying that when you cut out a couple bars of the beat that it then cuts it out of other places? If this is what you mean, then you have a linking problem. Anything you edit in one linked clip will be repeated down the line however many times you have copied the beat.

If this is the case, you need to make sure when you paste your beats that you are not pasting them as linked.
 
hey teacher,

before you go cutting stuff up, select the whole midi track and then do Edit --> Bounce to clips.

This will make the linked clips individual notes instead of cloned notes, and then you can cut them up any way you choose.

alternatively, you could always set up sub-groups and use the fader to drop instruments. that way if you decide later that you don't want the beat dropped, you don't have to re-copy and paste.

me personally, i just cut the notes out of the midi the same way that you do.
 
nah i got none of those problems....its a sound GAP...play a song u've recorded and use the scissor tool or highlight the track and delete while its playing and the ENTIRE track will stop for a few seconds...thats the problem Sonar use to have until 1.31when u edited the envelopes while the track is playin audio would stopwhen u edit them....it just fucks up the flow....i'm guessin this is an unfixable problem until anutha patch comes out?
 
It sounds like you need to adjust your buffer settings. I don't know how to do it in Sonar but I'm sure someone on this bbs does.
 
i tried that...but the gappin is still relatively the same at a buffer setting of 2 wit latency @ 11.6 or latency @ 69.7....it has to be a short fall
 
Teach,
Why would you want to cut the audio out?
Wouldn't you rather use the envelope tool so it basically fades the track volume to zero? This way you aren't deleting anything that you might regret.
 
You are talking about your computer stuttering right? Not the actual audio.
 
The thing I mentioned about the grid setting seems to have been missed. Most editing applications have such a thing.

Teacher, there's a Snap to Grid that can be enabled/disabled. It's often very useful because it makes it easy to move or copy and paste chunks of music to precise bar locations without having to worry about just where to put the cursor. Anywhere close that you click, it snaps to the neasrest location in the grid. The grid is simply the snap spacing chose; it can be anything -- measures, multiple of measures, beats, any note value...

... or it can be disabled, which means that if you want your cursor to land where your fingers tell it to without assuming you really want to place it at the nearest quarter-note or eight-note.

If you do a lot of editing, you'll find it's incredibly helpful to turn this off and on depending on what you happen to be doing at any given moment... in fact, I'd go so far as to say it's indispensible.
 
You guys,
Listen to what he is saying.

"play a song u've recorded and use the scissor tool or highlight the track and delete while its playing and the ENTIRE track will stop for a few seconds..."

He is editing the clips while the music is playing.
 
alchuck i know about the snap to grid, i've watch ur posts carefully and i think i'm close to becoming a Sonar jedi like u well atleast for my purposes ;)

thank u timmy....i don't cut audio as MUCH YET cuz my drums are usually in midi

vocals are usually the only thing in audio

yea i'm talkin about my computer Stuttering(u explained it in one word, something i couldn't do in a few posts lol) when i edit....is it sonar? is it my comp?

its not really a big deal but its annoying
 
It sounds like it is probably your computer. Do you have plugins running in sonar and lots of tracks going on at once?
 
yea i have a compressor, tape saturater, and de esser on the buss of the vocals @ 24/44.1 i have a 900mhz athlon wit 768 ram on XP pro...using a delta 66 using Sonar

i have about 8-10 tracks but only 2 or 3 run at the same time...the other tracks come in at diff points

CPU usage is usually in green range about 20-50%
hard disk usage maybe 7%
 
if you are talking about cutting events (whether they are audio or midi) during playback, I have never, ever been able to accomplish that in cakewalk without stuttering.... ever!

fader moves and such work seamlessly, but when you start to talk about cuts and pastes on the fly that result in non-linear harddisk access, you are putting your PC and the software to the task. even though the process of cutting is probably not running in the playback thread it still takes it's share of cycles.

I'm running a 1.2ghz with 640mb RAM and Sonar stutters whenever I select or deselect an fx send in a track.
 
crossstudio,

Same thing with me man.
I just wasn't sure if my computer was weak or if other people experienced the same thing. I'm running P3-702 with 384MB ram.
 
at first i thought this was a latency problem, but now that it's clear that the editing is being done while the audio's playing, i can say that you'll never ever solve that problem. you just can't cut and paste or delete stuff on the fly without gapping. stuttering is another thing, audio/midi doesn't stop playing, it skips parts of the material withou gapping, or doesn't it?

adriano
 
it doesn't skip it'll start where it left off....looks like the sonar guys need just ONE more patch :cool:
 
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