Fruity loops diehards!!! >> 3.5 question

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Hi,

I'm using fruity loops 3.5 to make some drum loops at the moment with some *.wav samples that I made myself.

However, I have some questions:

1. I don't seem to be able to setup other "measuring" than 4/4. How can I make less ordinary rhythms, like for example 6/8 or 7/8?

2. How can I emulate a snare- or tom-accent, without importing the same sample twice to another track to set the volume differently?

3. When I make a hi-hat pattern on my "regular drumkit", an open hi-hat is cut-off as soon as a closed hi-hat is played. This way it's possible to make nice open/close hihat interactions. They are not supposed to ring over oone another, since "on a real hi-hat" the source is one and the same cymbal, whether it's open or closed.
How can I do this in Fruity loops?? I don't get any further than importing a open and a closed hi-hat each to another track, and when I want to use them both, they ring through eachother, as if there are 2 hihats. The hi-hat pattern no longer sounds as a "one source" sound...

If anybody can help me on these issues, I really would appreciate it!

Greetz,
Saz
 
1. Go to project settings under options


FYI: this is alot more easy and alot more versatile with FL Studio, where you can change the time signature for each loop

2. You need to familiarize yourself with the graph editor. It looks like a bar graph and resides next to the swing slider. Here you can adjust the volume of each hit (which you should do anyways to avoid super mechanic beats) as well as the pan, filter cut, pitch, and time shift, which opens up alot for grooves.

I'd really recommend learning to use the piano roll editor for drum sequencing. Here you can adjust, very easily, the volume, pan, filter cut/Q, and pitch, as well as the exact position of the hit, which makes your loops sound light years less robotic.

3. Go to the 'misc' function of the channel setting (double click on the sample button) and set the cut and cut-by to the same number for all your hi-hat samples.
You could also add an additional hit with zero volume after a hit, and select "cut-itself" (right-click on sample button)


There's lots to learn to a pretty powerful program.

Good Luck
 
chrisjob,
I am still using FL3 for some drum sequencing. I looked at the website on the FL Studio features and it was unclear how the time signature thing works. Are you saying that you can be going along at 4/4 and just drop in a measure of 7/8? or 5/4?
That has been a major gripe for me in FL3.
Also can you now put more than one sample on track or is that still too much to ask for?
Humanizing those tracks is still a real effort. How are you able to really randomize those sounds? I don't like changing the pitch much, but a little bit can really help on a snare. Pitching is almost useless on highhats. It sounds weird. I would rather see something like corssfading between at least two samples.
Still, I shouldn't complain, it all sounds pretty good if I really put some work into it.
 
sqkychair said:


1.I Are you saying that you can be going along at 4/4 and just drop in a measure of 7/8? or 5/4?

2.Also can you now put more than one sample on track or is that still too much to ask for?

3.Humanizing those tracks is still a real effort. How are you able to really randomize those sounds? I don't like changing the pitch much, but a little bit can really help on a snare. Pitching is almost useless on highhats. It sounds weird.

4.I would rather see something like corssfading between at least two samples.
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1. Yes, each pattern can have its own time signature

2. I don't understand this question....I don't think of FL using tracks

3.Using the piano roll......you can fine tune the pitch and filter cutoff, which help with the timbre, and the volume, which lends to the groove. The key to doing so is starting with great samples- Check out some of the soundfonts from sonic implants for some cheap starters

4. You'll need a velocity-switching sampler for this. Look at FXpansions 002 and 005 for a some free ones, and VSampler for a demo. Soundfont banks can also do this
 
Thanx a lot man!

You solved almost all of my problems!!

There is still one thing that I can't get to though:

how can I incorporate triplets in one pattern only, without affecting other patterns?

In the general settings it's possible to set the bar length and beat lenght for a PROJECT.

How can I make a project in which the bassdrum for example between patterns switches between 16/16 and 12/16 ?

This doesn't work when I increase the BAR LENGTH for one pattern only, because 12/16 and 16/16 are supposed to last equally as long in time. The other samples should keep doing the same, while the bassdrum rhythm changes over it.
I would need to change the BEAT LENGTH per PATTERN.

But how?
 
You can program such nuances in the piano roll

Learn to use it, its well worth

-Chris
 
I have tried what you say, but I'm still not succeeding..

Look at this screenshot:
I have marked the division of one beat. You see 4 blocks. I cannot make triplets this way. I cannot find a setting to change this division.. I don't want to change the "project settings" for all the patterns. I want my "project setting" to be 8/8 or 16/16, and remain that.

Can you tell me where in the piano roll I can alter the time signature for this specific pattern and sample to make "triplets" without affecting the overall setting?

BTW I'm using FL Studio Producer 4.0.1 now...

Thanx in advance,
Saz
 

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i tried using the snap set to 1/3 and 1/6

to make bass drum triplets but changing the settings didn't seem to make a difference. Any ideas?
 
Chrisjob said:
Set the snap control to 1/3 or 1/6 beat for triplets
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Thanx again!

Do you mean:

Going to the pianoroll options, using tools -> quantizer. Importing another "groove". I found a " third" and a "sixth" based file.

I've succeeded in hearing triplets this way, the only thing is that I cannot "position" the samples there by mouse. I need to play them with a 4/4 feel, and then change the time division to hear the triplets. [kinda odd, NOT to program initially what you want to hear eventually] But "placing" any samples anywhere as triplets with the MOUSE seems impossible... The grid KEEPS snapping them to 4/4 wherever I click.. With quantizer I can "morph" the rhythm into triplets.

Is this the only correct way though? Or is there a way to "position" triplets by hand?

[The reason I'm asking this, is: "If I want to record an asymetrical pattern consisting of both 6/8 and 8/8 feel, it's very hard to play a bassdrumline "straight" and anticipate in advance on how the samples will be "moved" by the quantizer.. "]
 
I figured it out already!

That pianoroll indeed is a killer feature. All in all, FL offers so many options now, I don't think any drummachine can match it's capabilities! :)

Thanx a lot for all of your help Chrisjob!
 
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