For those of you who said that metal drummers had no feeling..

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There were definitely dynamics there. Loud with a little happening, and loud with a lot happening. :rolleyes: Doesn't help that the cam's mic gain was at full blast.
 
Wow! Yeah, you can tell that HE knows how "dynamic" he is - which is why you see the giant ear mufflers on his head... :D
 
did u watch the whole video, just a bit before 2 mins.
 
I watched AND listened(ouch!!!) to the entire recording.
I'm sorry. While the guy demonstrates potential and natural talent, that kind of playing is very elementary...unrefined. The perfomance illustrates precisely what is meant by "lacking feel and dynamics".

I know nothing about you, your skills, taste, or experience, but I am quite suprised you or anyone, would be so impressed by such a mediocre showing.
 
A metal drummer will never have much to show as far as dynamics and soul are concerned. Speed is really all they have.
BELIEVE THAT! :cool:
 
i wasnt talking just about this guy, derek roddy (hate eternal) plays mostly metal and everyone slagged him off for having no 'feel' untill they found a video of him in a jazz band.
 
In defense of metal drummers worldwide:

There is a reason most metal drummers don't use dynamics very often. Most of their ghost notes and other subtleties will never be heard behind a wall of guitars. Its simple science. Unless of course you compress the shit out of the drums, but then you'd lose those dynamics anyway.

One of the basic elements of most metal music is that everything should be in your face all the time. This, coupled with the fact that distorted guitars are naturally compressed before ever leaving the guitar preamp as a natural artifact of the distortion process (thus leaving the guitars with very little dynamics), plus a highly compressed bass guitar, means that mainly only your harder hits will cut through the mix, leaving dynamics basically useless for most forms of metal music. With this in mind, metal drummers try to keep most of their hits at a consistent level. It's not a matter of not having dynamics, its a matter of knowing when and when not to use them.

I agree most metal drummers today are likely incapable of playing with dynamics because of the fact that they were effectively raised on metal, learned to play drums because of metal, and had no interest in playing anything other than metal, therefore never really had the desire to learn to play with dynamics. So what.

It all comes down to the style of music the drummer is playing. I can't ever recall hearing anyone bashing jazz drummers for playing the drums softly and not drumming with a consistent volume level. That is because jazz drumming would sound stupid without dynamics. Likewise, metal drumming would sound stupid (or perhaps wouldn't even work) with a drummer that is trying to be overly dynamic. Show some common respect please.

I'm sorry if I'm coming off a little strong, I was just informed that I'm being moved to swing shift at work so I'm pretty fucking pissed off right now.

I still love you all.
 
Uladine said:
In defense of metal drummers worldwide:
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One of the basic elements of most metal music is that everything should be in your face all the time. ... leaving dynamics basically useless for most forms of metal music.

I agree most metal drummers today are likely incapable of playing with dynamics because of the fact that they ... never really had the desire to learn to play with dynamics. So what.
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My mistake. I guess the issue is with the genre rather than the drummer. :D
 
dkerwood said:
My mistake. I guess the issue is with the genre rather than the drummer. :D
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Saying that theres an issue with a genre because it lacks a certain musical element is like saying classic rock sucks because it doesnt make frequent use of blast beats. It's meaningless.
 
there's plenty of metal drummers with great dynamics

danny carey

whatever-his-name-from-dillinger-escape-plan

i'm too tired to think of more
 
Should I start making fun of Jazz drummers because they can't do 300 bpm doubles on the kicks?

Uladine is right, the best metal drummers do what they do because that's what they want to do and it's what they need to do in a metal context.

Tell me exactly where all those dynamics would have shone through on the last Hate eternal album? :rolleyes:

This is like when somebody calls Yngwie a shitty guitarist compared to SRV or (insert standard blues guitarist)....well SRV is pretty shitty compared to Yngwie if you want to play neoclassical shred! What the hell kind of point is that to make?
 
Mike Mangini... That's all I have to say about that!

Speed, Dynamics, Groove...

It's all there, it just depends on the style of music he is playing.

-JV
 
As a drummer, I can honestly say there were no dynamics in that video. Solid tempo and talent with polyrhythms. Good dexterity and speed. No dynamics and very little feeling though.

This is a drummer with dynamics and feeling

Here's another

Dynamics are loud and soft in the same passage. Feeling is groove or swing, something that requires emotion--not just dexterity and independence--to produce.

I personally don't listen to metal expecting to hear dynamics. I listen to metal for the intensity and aggression. For me the emotion comes out through the singer/screamer rather than the drummer. For rock music, I'd say the drums are driving the band emotionally. I don't really listen to jazz, so I can't say much about that genre, but usually it's the drummer following and accenting the melody, and occasionally taking a lead.

That being said, there are metal drummers who have feeling and dynamics, just a hint of swing and depth. And yeah you can't hear dynamics when the guitarists won't shut up and let the music breathe, but if you're a drummer, you notice the details:

Chris Pennie

Danny Carey
 
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