Fool BCR2000 in U-2 Mode?

[makotohiguchi]

All, (I'm using a Mac for everything written here, BTW).

I'm wondering if there's a way to get my BCR2000 to pass through signals to MIDI out A when in USB mode (I guess it doesn't matter which mode, 2 or 3).

I want to control two MIDI devices plugged into the BCR so:

I have my primary MIDI keyboard/controller hooked up to the BCR2000 sending info to the BCR2000 through a MIDI cable hooked up to MIDI in. On MIDI OUT B, I have a hardware synth; through that hardware synth's MIDI passthrough, I have a MIDI cable going to a second synth (neither of these synths have USB capabilities). While that works fine, I have to run some long-ish cables and Synth A has to be powered-up to pass through signals to Synth B. I'd rather have the second synth plugged into the MIDI OUT A of the BCR2000 so that I don't have to have Synth 1 powered-up (and some of this cable mess would go away, too).

So, the instructions show that my BCR in USB Mode 2 can send things to MIDI OUT B (the way I'm using it now) and that the computer can send stuff to MIDI OUT A. Is there any way to simply tell my computer to route whatever's coming from the MIDI in of the BCR2000 back to OUT A?

Alternatively, the same MIDI controller/keyboard is ALSO sending MIDI signals to my computer via its own USB cable. I'd be just as happy to route the USB signal from my keyboard to MIDI OUT A on the BCR2000, as well.

Thanks, in advance.

 

[ssscientist]

I don't understand --- what's the point of repatching a working system? Is it to save power by not having to power up synth A? Doesn't synth A get used in your compositions? And you say you're concerned about cable mess, but there would still be the same number of midi cables involved if you were to 'fool' the BCR into passing midi out of out A.

You seem desperate to distract yourself from making music which should be the primary mission of everyone who posts here.

If I were you, I'd take my working system and use it.

 

[makotohiguchi]

I don't understand --- what's the point of repatching a working system? Is it to save power by not having to power up synth A? Doesn't synth A get used in your compositions? And you say you're concerned about cable mess, but there would still be the same number of midi cables involved if you were to 'fool' the BCR into passing midi out of out A.

You seem desperate to distract yourself from making music which should be the primary mission of everyone who posts here.

If I were you, I'd take my working system and use it.

Thank you for your reply, but I'm a big boy, you're not me, I'm not "desperate to distract" myself, to answer the question one doesn't really need to "understand...what the point of repatching a working system is," and I can make decisions as to what to spend time on or not. I'm glad that you have a philosophy for "everyone who posts here," but please keep in mind that it's yours and may not reflect anyone else's. While I appreciate that you probably thought, in good faith, that you were "helping" me (by convincing me to adopt your vision of this forum's "primary mission," I presume), what I would consider "help" would have been some sort of answer related to how I could use both of my MIDI out ports on my BCR2000 in USB mode 2.

I have my reasons for wanting to set things up this way I've described--those reading can forget the minutiae of the cables, what's powered up, etc., if that will help others focus on the real question at hand. There might be others who wish to do this for different reasons than mine, and an answer could help those people, as well. That being the case, the simplified question is this (which was the "meat" of the original post and what I had hoped readers would concentrate on):

Re: BCR2000 and using BOTH MIDI OUTs while in USB Mode 2:

So, the instructions show that my BCR in USB Mode 2 can send things to MIDI OUT B (the way I'm using it now) and that the computer can send stuff to MIDI OUT A. Is there any way to simply tell my computer to route whatever's coming from the MIDI in of the BCR2000 back to OUT A?

Alternatively, the same MIDI controller/keyboard is ALSO sending MIDI signals to my computer via its own USB cable. I'd be just as happy to route the USB signal from my keyboard to MIDI OUT A on the BCR2000, as well.

 

[ssscientist]

I have my reasons for wanting to set things up this way I've described

That's like Mitt Romney saying we'll just have to trust him about the contents of his tax returns.

If you don't like my answer then keep searching for a way to fool the software and the hardware of your BCR and I won't trouble you again.

And you're one uppity newbie, big boy.

 

[makotohiguchi]

That's like Mitt Romney saying we'll just have to trust him about the contents of his tax returns.

If what goes on in here is really that serious to you, maybe it's time for a break, eh?

If you don't like my answer then keep searching for a way to fool the software and the hardware of your BCR and I won't trouble you again.

I will continue to do so (I didn't really even need you to tell me that, either, as it was obvious; but, again, thanks for the "help").

And you're one uppity newbie, big boy.

And you're one pretentious old hat, Cpt. Obvious. Take care.

 

[c7sus]

You don't say what DAW you are using but you should be able to accomplish this with the echo MIDI function in the DAW. Echo the keyboard input to the MIDI port you want to send it to.

 

[makotohiguchi]

You don't say what DAW you are using but you should be able to accomplish this with the echo MIDI function in the DAW. Echo the keyboard input to the MIDI port you want to send it to.

Ah, ok.. .yeah... I didn't think about that since I normally don't have a reason to do it. Thank you for pointing that out. (Still wonder if there's a stand-alone app that will let me do it without having to start up Logic, etc., but this is certainly better than nil.)

 

[c7sus]

FYI we aren't mindreaders here and adding caveats as you go along doesn't really help.

If you weren't stuck in the Mac world you could use MIDI-OX and/or MIDI Yoke to easily accomplish what you are wanting to do. They both allow you to route any MIDI I/O to any other MIDI I/O.

I have zero experience with the BCR-2000 but if there is a MIDI app that comes with it maybe you could configure the routing through that app.

Another solution is to ditch the BCR and get a dedicated MIDI interface like a MOTU or similar and use the software routing app to route your signal wherever you want it to go. I use a MIDIsport 8x8 and it has a "thru" mode that bypasses the USB into the computer and routes every input to every output simultaneously. I don't know if the MOTU units have this function.