First pair of monitors... two pair?

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After doing just about all the research I could online, I decided to go actually LISTEN to some different monitors today at the store. What a blast! I listened to some familiar songs I think are mixed really well, and tried them through about fifteen pairs. Wow, there is some variation out there in the world of reference monitors. I went there thinking I would buy a pair of KRK's Rokit 6. They sounded great. Smooth, great bass, just how I like music to sound. But, then I listened to some other brands and models and I found that after listening to some very clear-sounding monitors like M-Audio's BX5a's, the Rokit 6's sounded like there was a hole in their spectrum. The Rokit 6's had more "space" to their sound, and WAY better bass response, but they lacked a great deal right in the area where the BX5a's were strong and true. By comparison, the BX5a's were making the Rokit 6's sound muddy and hollow, and the Rokit 6's were making the BX5a's sound narrow in the range they could produce. They both had their strengths where the other lacked. The only sound I loved and I thought was representing the mixes extremely evenly and well was when I had BOTH pairs on at the same time. Which leads me to the question of this thing- Do people do that? Can you, and "should" you, have your monitoring setup include more than one pair of monitors at the same time? Are there problems involved with a setup like that, or is this something that pro studios do all the time and I just didn't know it? Thanks for any advice, since this will be my first time working with actual (although entry-level) studio monitors.
 
There's no law preventing one from using two different pairs of speakers simultaneously. If that's what works for you, then more power to you. I've worked in several situations where more than one set of speakers were used at one time.

The only caveat, and this is really picking nits (or is it splitting hairs?), you might want to make sure to set them up in a way where they are acoustically isolated from each other, and where the base of the cones from each speaker are even in distance from the listener (IOW, are even with each other vertically) to help minimize potential phase issues.

G.
 
Note to self... read the thread properly!
 
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Thanks guys. And SouthSide, that's good to hear there are no laws against it:rolleyes:! Something I forget too often I guess is that it's all about experimenting. That was my main concern- phase, and loss of clarity therefore. So, thanks for the advice on the cones in alignment. I think I'm going to go for that setup. Now, any good thoughts on how to get your typical two outputs to monitors into four equal outputs?
 
I use two pairs of event monitors. An 8" and 5", I don't run both at the same time but I can. I have a box that allows me to switch between the two. I'll check the name of the unit and get back to you.

This will do what you want and for only 30bucks.
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/JIBS/
 
Sounds like the Rokits have a smiley face EQ to them, a "fun" home theater sound. Not really what you want in a monitor.
 
Now, any good thoughts on how to get your typical two outputs to monitors into four equal outputs?
"Y" cables would be the easy way. The potential wrinkle there - which would exist with that JIB splitter also - would be if your two types of speakers were of a different enough efficiency where the relative volumes coming out of each of them is not balanced the way you want it when you control them with a single CR gain control.

You could go with something like the Samson C-control which would give you seperate gain control over each set of speakers.

But I gotta ask; Why spend all that money on two sets of dinky speakers and a separate controller and three sets of cables? Why not just save up for a few more weeks and get one decent larger pair of speakers and one set of cables and be done with it?

G.
 
Sounds like the Rokits have a smiley face EQ to them, a "fun" home theater sound. Not really what you want in a monitor.

It could be my poorly treated room, but my Rokit 8s seem to have more of a frowning eq to them compared to the variety of other reference speakers I check on, and my mixes end up smiley. :D
 
Well what do you know!!! Someone actually did it right for once and went to the store to test out monitors! :D Props for doing that! However, I'm kinda with Glen on this one...why not just save up a little more and buy a single pair of really nice monitors? 2 pairs is cool and I definitely think with a little playing around you could get it to work, but why not check out all your possibilities? :)
 
"Y" cables would be the easy way. The potential wrinkle there - which would exist with that JIB splitter also - would be if your two types of speakers were of a different enough efficiency where the relative volumes coming out of each of them is not balanced the way you want it when you control them with a single CR gain control.

You could go with something like the Samson C-control which would give you seperate gain control over each set of speakers.

But I gotta ask; Why spend all that money on two sets of dinky speakers and a separate controller and three sets of cables? Why not just save up for a few more weeks and get one decent larger pair of speakers and one set of cables and be done with it?

G.

I think you're right. In the end I'll probably end up spending the same as a much nicer pair. The trouble is, when I tried out MANY different kinds at the store, I found that every monitor, in one way or another, had some sort of flaw in it's representation that bothered me at least a little. Especially some larger pairs that had a lot of space to their sound but were quite weak in the middle. I suppose that's why there are some monitors that are very cheap and some that are ridiculously expensive. But for that much money, I just didn't want to buy something that I heard a problem with. Until you're willing to fork over thousands, I suppose you just get used to your own pair and after a while can compensate? What are a "decent larger pair" you'd recommend listening to? Thanks for all the advice everyone.
 
What are a "decent larger pair" you'd recommend listening to?
Anybody here that's been around long enough to know me knows that my answer to what I think is a decent pair (of speakers, you perverts ;) ) is irrelevant, because my ears may not be the same as yours. You gotta pick what works for you.

G.
 
The trouble is, when I tried out MANY different kinds at the store, I found that every monitor, in one way or another, had some sort of flaw in it's representation that bothered me at least a little. Especially some larger pairs that had a lot of space to their sound but were quite weak in the middle. I suppose that's why there are some monitors that are very cheap and some that are ridiculously expensive.

you need to keep in mind that the 'room' at the store, is not going to be the same as your room. Is there any acoustic treatment in your room?

It's unfortunate we can't all 'try before we buy' because all to often, while something sounds amazing eleswhere (including equipment used on recordings), the environment has a often overlooked (or denied) impact on the sound

so we buy and then sell/trade, and buy something else until we finally find our comfort/familiarity zone- as with most audio gear, there's generally a reason things cost differently-
 
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