"Falling"

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Over in that "other" forum, I just posted a thread about the full development of this piece from the day I started working on it ... a week or so ago.

I started from the out of time, out of tune guitar playing and the cheesy midi drums ... leaving framed signposts of the development along the way so that folks could track what I listened to and how this work was fashioned.

I gained WONDERFUL input from the folks involved.

This is the result:

Falling

Best,

Kev-
 
I know ... the tunes aren't worthy of comment.

lol ...

No hard feelings ... (I know that's not it)

:D

It's okay ... it's just funny how board dynamics are ... and how proprietary places become through normal course of intercourse.

Not a crit, only an observation ... but it's interesting to watch how friends assemble and keep somewhat to themselves. NOT all are so, but cliques are, I believe, a natural phenomenon of society at all levels, including internet groups. HomeRec has become somewhat "insular" in song commenting.There are just too many people posting ... and not enough of it warrants commenting ... for a variety of reasons.

I'm guilty of the same on RP. I just realized that such behavior leads to people "moving on" to places they perceive to be more welcoming. It's something we should all watch as board participants.

If one is posting tunes to be reviewed, one really should review tunes in return. If one never participates in commenting, then perhaps it's best to not post at all. It makes for less clutter for everyone who participates to wade through.

If you're part of a "clique", you really need to try to not be part of the group that only comments on the group. It's not good for the whole.

There's no flaming going on here btw ... it's all good ... just interesting to watch the evolution of online sites.

Love to all,

Kev-

Note: Edited to better concisely express what I meant.
 
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K-dub said:
I know ... the tunes aren't worthy of comment.

lol ...

No hard feelings ... (I know that's not it)

:D

I'm serious ... it's okay ... it's just funny how dynamics shift ... and how proprietary places become through normal course of intercourse.

Not a crit, only an observation ... but it's interesting to watch how friends assemble and keep somewhat to themselves. NOT all are so, but cliques are, I believe, a natural phenomenon of society at all levels, including internet groups. HomeRec has become somewhat insular in song commenting.There are just too many people posting ... and not enough of it warrants commenting.

I'm guilty of the same on RP. I just realized that such behavior leads to people moving on ... versus feeling welcomed. It's something we should all watch as board participants.

If you're posting tunes to be reviewed, you really need to review tunes in return. If you never participate, then perhaps it's best to move on.

If you're part of a clique on a board, you really need to not be part of the group that only comments on the group. It's not good for the group. It's merely incestuous.

There's no flaming going on here btw ... it's all good ... just interesting to watch the evolution of all things online.

Love to all,

Kev-
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:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Cliques?????? Please.

All the regulars here (myself, Greg, RayC, Queepy, NL5, JoeyM, Marcodiablo, etc.... and many others I can't think of right now) comment on as many tunes as possible, not just each others'. I, and those I named above, comment on newbie's tunes, people we don't know, people that post for the first time, as well as on each others. Hell, even Jordan posts his crap and gets comments (all negative, but still). I see no cliques here.
 
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Hey Rami,

I didn't mean cliques per se ... that was poor wording on my part, bud. It's not a clique.

For lack of a better term, call it "natural gravitational pull" ... online friends becoming familiar w/ each other and naturally gravitating towards folks you know and like and commenting on their stuff ... because it's friendly and conversational ... and you like their stuff, and they comment on your stuff.

The pull is even stronger when you like the work of the person whose works you're commenting on ... because one is strongly drawn artistically to the material.

The evidence is in the numbers. Look at who consistently garners high post counts and thread hits ... it's the same people who contribute the most to the board (as naturally occurs ... sort of my point).

Like I said above, it's not a crit in any way, shape or form ... merely just observation. I do it myself, as I tend to gravitate towards responding to those that repeatedly comment, and leave the folks who post, but almost never participate in commenting -- to slowly sunset ...

(Note: just a heads up for those who continually remain silent on these boards ... those who give the most, do receive)

Heck, I'm guilty of not contributing enough to HR myself. I haven't even been able to be that active listening on RP much lately. It's the economy, and I'm self employed ... so free time is sorely crimped, as I'm paddling like hell to keep moving forward.

OTOH, in either place, if it's a board newbie who hasn't had a chance to show themselves participatory one way or the other ... I'll jump in with comments in hopes to stimulate increased board participation.

... and sometimes I comment anyways because I've a unique perspective to contribute.

The times I stay silent are when there is SO MUCH to correct that pages need to be written to correct the problems ... or if others have already said what I would have.

But the point was, I guess, that everybody should try to contribute because a lot of time goes into the work folks put up for review, and the saddest thing to witness is someone's hard effort sliding w/o response down and out the pages ...

I have to do better myself w/ participating ... or just stop posting up my own stuff expecting any response to it.

Kev-
 
Fair enough, man. I might have mis-understood your original point. :cool:
 
Hey Kev,

These both sound great :). Really filled-out arrangements and much bigger sounding than I expected.

Falling sounds great mix-wise...I love the way you really pushed your voice in the build-up towards the end. I found the tailing lead guitar that lingered after the buildup to be a bit overpowering, but that was a really minor thing and I'm just reachin' for something.

Loved the 2nd recording, Final Daze. Really big production. Love the drums at the beginning, but found them to be just a bit too up front (along with your voice when it comes in) relative to the acoustic. Plus, there is what sounded to me to be one really off guitar chord right when you first sing "...promises"...I dunno, just stood out to me, but may be exactly as intended. When the the whole things builds up around half way through, I felt like the bongos or whatever that join in were a bit dull or muffled sounding and/or perhaps too loud.

Sorry...kind or all over the map here...there is just a lot going on on these two and I'm having trouble focusing :o:). Obviously a lot of work went into these and it shows.

----- Oh yeah, other than the clique part (you pretty much clarified that) I think your observations are pretty much on.

I haven't been here as long as you, but during my time here this has always sort of been the case...kind of natural I think. Other than a recent influx of new people/tunes, has it really changed that much?

I myself tend to comment on work by those that I'm familiar with or that have reviewed my own stuff previously, but I try to make a conscious effort to listen to stuff by people I've never heard before as well. I think there is some danger of getting complacent and having the same basic group of people pat each other on the back repeatedly out of habit, but I think that is avoided for the most part here as I see plenty of honest criticism from people who would be part of the same "clique" (if there were such things)...:)
 
....OK, back to the music.:D

I rarely have any nits about your music. This, like anything I've heard from you, sounds great. Sounds pro and very well done. Drums are really good. Vocals are awesome. I'm not trying to suck up here. I really wish I could find something I could give advice on. Maybe the crashes are a little "sizzly"???? I'm really just nit-picking.
 
i like the vocals best. chorus and all.
Bass is second best.
guitar sounds good too.acoustic is great, imo.

If anything, the kick drum is back there a bit later in the chorus, at times in the chorus I can't hear a kick drum, maybe the bass is covering it? maybe spread them a little bit? I dunno. you want nit-pic?
stereo image is good to go.

this recording/mix sounds cleaner than most. is this a HR production? dang, crazy if it is.
 
I listened to "Falling" and I can offer no constructive criticism because I didn't hear anything that needed to be changed. I'd say go with it! Good job.

PS-I like the feedback ending, nice touch.

As for the boards I signed up last week and this place has been great to me so far, I even got a handful of very useful comments on a song I posted.

MattDee
 
Listened to Falling...pretty good.
Reminds me of Springsteen in a good way. I like the high vocal parts and the harmonies. I found the strings a little bit too loud for a rock'n'roll kind of thing like this. Is that a click-track I hear in the background with that feedback ending? Pretty good recording though.

Kev, I like to listen to lots of different stuff in the clinic. It's like a great radio show for me. But as you say, time is what one needs....;)

Joey :):):):)
 
joeym said:
Listened to Falling...pretty good.
Reminds me of Springsteen in a good way. I like the high vocal parts and the harmonies. I found the strings a little bit too loud for a rock'n'roll kind of thing like this. Is that a click-track I hear in the background with that feedback ending? Pretty good recording though.

Kev, I like to listen to lots of different stuff in the clinic. It's like a great radio show for me. But as you say, time is what one needs....;)

Joey :):):):)
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Yep ... damn click came right through ... but I sort of liked it in a "no one's perfect"/"I'm a home recordist" sort of way ... so I kept it.

I did strings? Where? (there's only organ/piano/guitars on this one) :D

Time is the only thing I can't make more of than I need.

Thanks J!

K-
 
mattdee1 said:
I listened to "Falling" and I can offer no constructive criticism because I didn't hear anything that needed to be changed. I'd say go with it! Good job.

PS-I like the feedback ending, nice touch.

As for the boards I signed up last week and this place has been great to me so far, I even got a handful of very useful comments on a song I posted.

MattDee
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Thanks Matt! The gits were SCREAMING loud through my speakers ... as I played the part live to the "band" ... and when they started to feed back, I just let them go on a whim.

K-
 
COOLCAT said:
i like the vocals best. chorus and all.
Bass is second best.
guitar sounds good too.acoustic is great, imo.

If anything, the kick drum is back there a bit later in the chorus, at times in the chorus I can't hear a kick drum, maybe the bass is covering it? maybe spread them a little bit? I dunno. you want nit-pic?
stereo image is good to go.

this recording/mix sounds cleaner than most. is this a HR production? dang, crazy if it is.
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Yep, it's an HR production ... only me, actually ... which explains why the guitar lead is so rudimentary ... because I suck at it (I'm a keyboard player by trade), but I thought it at least "fit".

Like I said, there's a diary of posts over at RP which tracked my development of this piece from day one through to completion ... over about a week or so.

It started VERY rough, w/ just Session Drummer 2, lousy rhythm playing, and a synth bass ... and gradually I just kept adding things as they occurred to me. Once I had the whole arrangement conceptualized, it was just a matter of tweaking the mix.

Thanks for the props, CC!

Kev-
 
RAMI said:
....OK, back to the music.:D

I rarely have any nits about your music. This, like anything I've heard from you, sounds great. Sounds pro and very well done. Drums are really good. Vocals are awesome. I'm not trying to suck up here. I really wish I could find something I could give advice on. Maybe the crashes are a little "sizzly"???? I'm really just nit-picking.
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I think I'm being ignored now.

It's a clique I tell ya!!!!!!!!!!

:D :D :D
 
Hey man,

Falling sounds great, I really don't have much feedback at all, except that the synth piano (organ?) that comes in at the intro is just a tad piercing. It could be my phones, it could be that I always listen to stuff really loudly. Either way, this is a VERY nice mix, and a great song. I especially love the acoustic guitar sound that you managed to capture. What mic setup did you use for that?
 
Hey Kev... interesting comments, and I understand where you are coming from.


btw...nice tunes. A little "americana" for me, but I like your stuff. Final Daze I liked best of the two.
I really like the tempo change A LOT and the arrangement/production/harmonic content. BUt I think I commented back when. Maybe not.

Anyrate... If you look, I've got one of those silly 2000 join dates and my 4000+ posts probably can be traced back to the MP3 clinic for the most part. (and probably just from the first couple of years or less too) The last couple years, I've come and gone. I find I get more done recording, rather than reading internet forums.. hey novel, eh? BUt I really enjoy reading this online stuff. .. and you can learn a lot too... Never stop learning. I don't know anyone here hardly anymore and I can post something, and because of that get very little feedback. The number of contributors has increased TREMENDOUSLY since the earlier years, as you probably know and one of the reasons I think many have migrated to the "smaller" RP forums. I wouldn't say I have, but I can see how this clinic has had a "population explosion" making it more difficult to stay on top of unless you visit VERY often.

This clinic has been a GREAT place for me in the past, and some of the music from others, has been incredible, to say the least.

I still poke my head in every now and then...(as evidenced by this post), but I find my replies are more directly related to something that really strikes a chord in me, VS just replying anymore.

So... that's all I had to say. :)
 
Actually one more item.

What's with the Session Drummer? You go out and get Superior 2.0 and then backslide to Session Drummer.. what's that all about? I think you just heard a drum set that was "different" after using Toontrack all this time, but I think sonic wize, it is a step backwards, unless you're doing industrial, thrash/trash, hip hopo or whatever... you know what I mean. IT's ok...but just ok. Average... you don't want average, you and I know that.

I was going to comment at RP, but all I had to say at the time was I didn't like the Session Drummer, but everyone else was so positive about it and loving your "new" drum sound. I was hearing distortion too... and the poor attempt at Sonar's room ambience on Session Drummer.
I think if you swapped out kits (back to Toontrack), you'd agree, but that's my $.02.

So... looking at the Toontrack videos of the guys messing around with 2.0, it seems kinda limitless. Have you found that to be the case? Especially the tuning. That't the ONLY reason I like Session Drummer is that you can tune the dang drums. Sometimes I mix an extra kick in, just for that, but blend it in.

So...when you going to do "Saturdays alright (for fightin')" :D:D

You know it would totally rock ;)
 
K-dub said:
Yep ... damn click came right through ... but I sort of liked it in a "no one's perfect"/"I'm a home recordist" sort of way ... so I kept it.

I did strings? Where? (there's only organ/piano/guitars on this one) :D

Time is the only thing I can't make more of than I need.

Thanks J!

K-
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I meant the organ....I'm not a keyboard-player!:D
 
Hey, Kevin,

I thought I'd lend my clique to the mix::D

Falling is a very nice track. Sounds pretty pro, though I'm not a fan of so many BGV's.

I know it's hard to reign yourself in when Sonar affords you so many tracks. You can clone them and shift them a frame or two and pan them all over the place and what you end up with is a Greek chorus.

That's fine and there is a place for it, (like in Jesus Christ Superstar or some other major musical) but for a song trying to sound like a band it's a bit much.

Does that make any sense? It's a wonderful sound, very full, but can there be too much of a good thing?

I would think if you could just limit the BGV's to three voices it would sound more realistic for an America, Springsteen or Eagles type of sound.

Love the piano in the piece. We never hear enough of that in rock songs IMO.

I'll listen to the other one soon, but somehow I think I already have.

My mind is jelly most of the time. Time is always a restriction, too. That's the reason that I feel like I am on the outside looking in, rather than not being a part of a clique.

But like Groucho, I wouldn't be a part of any clique that would have me for a member.:p

Wig:)
 
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