F'(*^*%$* rock, that's all

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BLU,
Driving, relentless tune.
I think the mix needs some expantion, depth and space. I'd throw the "high note" rhythm/accent lick to the far right side or somewhere other than the middle. The vocal track is good, if not a tad in the face of things. I hear an improvment if the verses were a little more intimate and cocky(sp?) and leave the chorus just about as it is. I think this would help build the "drive factor" and pounding momentum of the song. Don't get naked right away, tease the strip. The git fills would do better if put to one side as well. Especially toward the end when all I heard was a cluster of tracks yearning for attention and dominance. The git solo was well placed in the arrangment but, and this is wayyy subjective, the git tone and lead didn't seem to fit the song. All of these comments ride on the crest of a solid song and an overall happy listener. They also fall from a less than astute mixing head.

Hope something I've said has value for you.
Theron.

Very driving song!
 
Hey...at first I thought you were going into "Honkey Tonk Woman"!! Les Paul, eh??? couldn't tell...thought maybe it was a Jackson Dinky Reverse at first :D..
Nice sounds, feel and punch, for what you did.
However, it's hard to grasp this is a "push up the fadars", "hit record" kinda tune, with a lead gtr. sounding the same as the rhythm, nice tight bg vocs..etc. However, if I'm wrong, I'm impressed.
Damn Sjoko...4 friggin chords. After hearing a small smattering of your stuff, I see your weakness. Not recording, not production, and not musical chops....it's the same repetition from beginning to end. There's no song dynamics, no musical sections, etc, etc. Take away the glossy recording, and you'd be in deep do-do. I can appreciate a cool chord sequence, a smattering of harmonic minor guitar riffing, and a soulful lead singer, but that makes an intro....and maybe a verse. Now what? Ok...it's a jam, I'll accept that, but if you take away the vocals, how do you find where you are in the song without an autolocater:confused:

I suppose I could get all gushy and say this kicks booty (like your post)...and it does to a large degree, but there are some major weaknesses in the song dept. I love hearing your stuff because the audio quality basically kicks over most of the stuff here, but it's a one time listen, however. A back to back playing[of 8 minutes]...the brain can only take so much of one chord sequence.

oh..btw, you seem to imply that you are streaching the old fingers...is that you on guitar?? Sounds like the good ole days with some new technology...great playing with '02 electronica!

Ura can sing...but you already know that;)
 
mixmkr,

then again, sjoko2 is a mastering engineer not a musician.

I preffered the vocal sound on this one to some of the ones I've been hearing from you lately. I think that tc native reverb sounds dead though.

I like this song. How did you do the harmonies? That would be incredibly difficult to get right with a live rehearsal mix.
 
Excellent. That's you playing guitar, huh? Pretty smooth and fluid. It's really valuable to break the mold. You get into and into a particular approach, because you know that the more you do something and the longer you do it, the better it gets. But it's so refreshing to get outside the usual and the ordinary.

So, when you two gonna lay down a tune with you on piano? :D

BTW, I can hear a piano part in my imagination on 'Blu' - kind of a mechanical, hammerhands Supertramp kinda thing. Repeated double chords.

tank tank....tank tank...tank tank...tank tank

Tank you.
 
I love all those comments:D

About the mix needing this that and the other - this was band rehearsal? Not a recording session - Nobody on the board - just a stereo bus recording - I thought I made that clear?

heard a smidgen of my stuff? Nope, you have not. I only post my 'hobby project', that's all. I'll be in deep whatever with my four chords? really? ask my accountant ;)

TC native reverb? I haven't got one of those, never had one of those, and as it went through a live desk, it was my good'ol D1500 verb unit.

The harmonies? they have 2 names :)

I'm a mastering engineer and not a musician??????:D

by the way - there were three playing guitar
 
I'm w/ Dobro there, but I can't help but think mixmkr's got that "repeating chord progression" thing down.

I wouldn't put it in those words, though. For me, it's about chord progression, not so much production (which sounds great, btw, although a bit "wall of sound"-ish).

Do the chorus thing, that should allow Uru the opportunity to change vocal styles within songs (right now she pretty much builds up on the demos I've heard). I figure she can back down during the chorus's (oh, man, she could do a number with a breath-y achey refrain and screaming verses, whoa, heck yeah)...

I really appreciate the music that I've been exposed to through knowing you, and please don't think I'm being bitchy by backing up mixmkr, but... IMHO, you need some bridges and choruses and differing syncopation in each.

Sorry, I just can't stand repeating chord progressions. It's the biggest turnoff for me, as a music listener and band member. I'll quit both if I know that the music isn't going to change...

:(

And while I'm at it (not making any points with anybody)... Mixmkr, you can be a definite fuckhead at times. You definitely add flavor to the board, that's for sure...

:D
 
sjoko2 said:


The harmonies? they have 2 names :)

I'm a mastering engineer and not a musician??????:D

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sorry :D I should have said "not really" instead of simply saying "not"

I dont get the part about the vocal harmonies. Are you saying that you used two different boxes? It sounds like uru's voice but I know it cant be since it was a staright to stereo mix. Ok, out with it. Maybe its a new plugin that you dont want everybody to start using.

by the way, this is a really cool piece. I prefer this one to all the other ones except bittersweet. Nothing can top bittersweet.
 
sjoko2 said:

The harmonies? they have 2 names :)
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Cyan,

I think he meant the harmonies had names like "Karen" and "Susan", not "Waves Ultra Harmonizer 2002". :)
 
synergy said:


Cyan,

I think he meant the harmonies had names like "Karen" and "Susan", not "Waves Ultra Harmonizer 2002". :)
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synergy,

I dont think so. I think sjoko2 meant boxes cos I'm pretty sure the harmonies are Uru's voice.

Or maybe its these danged ns10ms Im using.
 
Nice sjoko.:)

Here's my constructive criticism:

The backing vocal on "ok" (0:23) sounds a bit out of tune. Then the backing vocals in the chorus sound almost too precise and doubled to me. If that's not Uru's voice, the other singers sound way too much like her to provide much color and contrast. There are also some harsh s's, t's and especially d's. For example, the d's in "... the things you make me do." (0:33) and in "...no matter what I do" (0:57) are rather disturbing. Then some of the first consonants tend to drop out a bit, especially in the second verse. For example, the "t" in "tussle" (1:37).

The song reminds me of a cross between Donny Iris and Berlin, and this is my only major complaint on the stylistic side. It sounds like something that might have had radio play 20 years ago. Not that that's a bad thing. A good song always remains a good song. It's just that it seems dated to my ears.

barefoot
 
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I preffered the vocal sound on this one to some of the ones I've been hearing from you lately.>>>cyanjaguar

so what's your fucking point? I don't sing, and he's got a top notch singer that he uses.



... And while I'm at it (not making any points with anybody)... Mixmkr, you can be a definite fuckhead at times. You definitely add flavor to the board, that's for sure>>>>>Kelly H

.......... and all I can say is fuck you too.

I make a commentary on the guys music, tell him his production, recording, playing is top notch...better than most around here, but critisize him for repeating 4 chords for 4 minutes. I even state that it was hard to grasp being a "push mix" [as it sounded so good], and I get my shit jumped for saying that. I felt my post was highly complimentary, with the exception of the weak songwriting comments, which I'll stand by. As a bear would say..."gimme a fuckin' break". You people are awfully touchy, and if a blunt, to the point post upsets you people, than that's your problem not mine. I'll say it like it is, and you pussy-fuck songwriters that feel like they need to defend someone else, (cyan, kelly) fine...I'll say what you weenies can only take hearing..and only want to hear...your stuff sounds great....and that's all the fucking comments you'll get from me on your stuff from this point on.
 
and as for me ... I just won't bother posting any material anymore, as it seems to just lead to argument and nonsense, so that was my last one :)
 
sjoko....that would be a loss. Sorry to hear that. Personally, I prefer that Kelly and Cyan would stop posting their stuff INSTEAD, as it wouldn't be missed as much as your fine productions (even though the weak songw.....ah..uh..a...No..I won't say dat!!);)
 
mixmkr said:
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I preffered the vocal sound on this one to some of the ones I've been hearing from you lately.>>>cyanjaguar

so what's your fucking point? I don't sing, and he's got a top notch singer that he uses.



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knowing how cool you always are, all I can say is that you must have had too much to drink today.

I never even made any reference to anything you said so what's the deal.

By the way, what I meant by this vocal was better than the others I had heard from him was just that.

This vocal sounds less harsh, more musical, more smooth etc. What else?
 
then my apologies Cyan...
Since your post started out addressed to me, I [apparently incorrectly] assumed that all sentences where then meant towards me,..especially the one comparing singing..... except when you started talking about reverbs...etc.

I can see how I misread it...sorry.

btw...I don't drink.....much!
 
Ok...Im gonna play mediator here for a minute...

I understand everyones feelings against Mixmakr... That post above came across pretty blunt and rude....... But at the same time, I think he is an asset to the board... He is very honest about his critiques...

Mixmakr>> From man to man, and hopefully Friend to friend... Keep up the honest critiqueing, it's welcomed, but at the same time, try and lose a bit of the sarcasm and satire you add into your clinic posts....

I don't really mind if it's my stuff.... Tear me apart bud.. Your Tame compared to the shit I deal with in real life......but when it's someone elses stuff, you might wanna ease back a bit...People get offended by it.... but still keep the honesty part.... It's needed...


Anyways.. I hope you will take this as friendly advice and not that Im raggin on you... Cause im not..:)
 
SJOKO

Don't be silly.. Keep posting.....

Causing fights is fun... keep it up!:D


Anyways.. seriously.. good to see ya back at it,, haven't heard hide nor hair from ya in a while...
 
No Prob man..

When you critiqued my songs, You were blunt, and out of the 50 or so critiques I got, your posts were the ones that really opened my eyes and made me think...

Now, I didn't always agree with your opinions, but they made me think.. thats a good thing! :D
 
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