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choutmusic
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I decided I'm getting one of these for my next mic...probably gonna be used mostly for instruments, perhaps some vox...is the RE27 worth the extra $$$?
Fishmed
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No, you can do all the eq cuts once you have your tracks in the computer.
IMHO, the Heil PR40 is a better mic as it has a more open sound. Although, the RE20/27 is better for kick, as the PR40's openness is its weakness there.
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choutmusic
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Great, another contender...
Thanks.
Is this mic effective in minimizing proximity effect also?
Thanks.Is this mic effective in minimizing proximity effect also?
Fishmed
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Great, another contender...
Is this mic effective in minimizing proximity effect also?
I would think that most dynamic mics are good at minimizing proximity effect.
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choutmusic
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That's part of the allure of the re20 is how it says the sound isn't affected by a very close source...I'm always backing my dynamics off of cabs when I record so I don't get those unwanted low frequencies and the cabs pushing air...
Fishmed
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What dynamic mics have you had issues with?
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choutmusic
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AKG D112 on a bass cab I always back off a little.
SM57 and e609 on guitar cabs.
SM57 and e609 on guitar cabs.
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choutmusic
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I got an RE27 on the way, got it for $300.
cavedog101
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Maybe yer puttin the mic in the wrong position....
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tdukex
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My understanding is that proximity effect is caused by mics with a directional polar pattern, whether dynamic or condenser. The RE20 has Variable-D technology that supposedly helps minimize proximity effect.
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mixsit
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Exactly. And the re20 pretty much totally kills it. That and flat off axsis are what's unique. What else does this? (RE16?) What we have here is a directional that acts like an omni.
On the other hand- it's the thinning' (or big boom'- pick your poison
with directionals on a moving target that is their down side. The other side of the coin, with RE's you can't work the mic position to play this tone variable.
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How can a directional mic avoid proximity effect short of rolling off the low end? I thought this was pretty much a laws of physics thing that was unavoidable in directional microphones....
Shadow_7
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Use a non-directional mic with a plexiglass plate or jecklin disc to make it directional. Or if the mic isn't all that directional to start with. My old 4033a was listed as cardioid, but if you put a recording made using the front side and back side A/B'd on a conventional stereo, I'd have a hard time telling which was which. And I never really noticed much proximity effect on it either. Sure, it sounded better on the front side, but not drastically so. As opposed to my SM81's where if you're 45 degrees or more off center, there's a noticeable difference. And even at 45 degrees there is a difference.
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soundchaser59
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You can get the Heil PR30 or PR40 brand new for less than that if you shop around long enough.
RE20 is not good for (singing) voice, it is too bright and it does color the sound quite a bit, imo. In fact, I've not had an EV yet that doesn't color and add an edge to the sound.
For about the same $$$$$$, the SM7b is a much better choice.
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mixsit
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I take your meaning -as in you don't care for their sound, but someone could apply the same to just about all mics, being colored in some way or the other.
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choutmusic
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I got the RE27 yesterday, and I'm a little worried there is something wrong with it...It seems to have a little bit of a slight distortion in the upper mids, kind of reminds me of a harmonica mic - a bit of dirtyness I didn't expect. Physically, it's in great shape, but this is bugging me. It seems like no one around here carries EV mics so I could compare it to a brand new one. 
I know of a used PR40 around town that I'm gonna pick up next payday if it's still there.
I know of a used PR40 around town that I'm gonna pick up next payday if it's still there.
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soundchaser59
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I liked them at first, but as I acquired more mics and did side by side I began liking the EV mics less and less. The color is more than most mics, to my ears, and it is especially noticeable on guitar cab.
It is a good mic, built like a tank, I just learned to prefer the sound of other mics like the SM7.
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mixsit
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I've never had a chance to try the 27, but it looks to have a pretty good lift, vs the 20.
I'm about to try an RE16. We'll have to compare notes later.
I'm about to try an RE16. We'll have to compare notes later.
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mixsit
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I should add, my main appreciation for these mic is as a specific problem solver - getting consistent good tone on live or live in studio' vocal. So far RE20 kills everything I've tried. In that respect this trumps ultimate tone, exactly matching vocalist-to-mic, in a big way.
In a similar way with acoustics- a pair of players can share ah la 'bluegrass style (low volume), a guitar can get up on it even on the sound hole, no boom’ out.
That’s a bit of a different game than having your pick of working distance, any and all options open.
cavedog101
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I think that edge or grit you're talking about is one of the reasons so many love the EV's for spoken word. Its that little extra in the voice that makes them so good at that. Probably why they make a better kik drum mic than an SM7 which is a lot 'cleaner'.