Editing Acidized Loops In Sonar Producer.

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With Loops - is there a way by which to edit its individual notes, in Sonar Producer? I like to go in and change some of the looped notes, so that each selected loop isn't always playing the same notes. What I have been doing, thus far, is to isolate the desired note, via the 'Slice' command option, and semitoning it to the desired pitch, but it isn't a very easy thing to do - with most of the loops that I favor - and I hope for an easier method. I thought that the 'Event' job area would afford the opportunity to change key notes, but it doesn't seem to do so. Maybe what I want is located somewhere else within the program, and then it could be that my aim just isn't possible with this program.

Any info would be appreciated.
 
You might be better off loading the loop in Cyclone and fiddling with the pitch on one copy of the loop then use a midi track to trigger Cyclone, instead of directly from the track view.

I don't know of a different way to accomplish what you are already doing in the track view.

Ciao,

Q.
 
Q,

Thanks for the reply. After posting my question (and after reading up a bit more) it became ever apparent to me that there is no way in which to do as I desire to do. You see, I happened to confuse this matter with a QY700 that I used to own. It's a shame that I never really explored the many great features of that unit (I used it primarily as one would an analog recorder), but I remember being able to call up a recording - enter the event list area - and edit each & every parameter. This included individual notes. As I think back on it, I remember that it was all MIDI data - and that's where laid the difference. If for being able to work with audio files in the same manner, it would have really expanded on one's use of these loops.

Oh well - no big disappointment, though. This Sonar Producer program is so deep in what it does do that I can't feel in any way let down :) because of this. I will, however, try your "Cyclone" suggestion, just to see what it allows when working with same.
 
If that's your style of working, you should probably also hit the Celemony website, www.celemony.com and check out the demo and video for their "Melodyne" product.

It looks like a dog compared to Sonar, but it does have some interesting loop-handling tools which I think you would find very sexy indeed.

And it will run within your existing Sonar environment.

Ciao,

Q.
 
Qwerty said:
If that's your style of working, you should probably also hit the Celemony website, www.celemony.com and check out the demo and video for their "Melodyne" product.

Ciao,

Q.

Hi again, Q ~

No, to be honest with you - assembling loops for musical creations is most definitely NOT my preferred method for song construction. Though (as I have also stated before) I am FARRRRRRR from being a talented keyboard player, I rather like 'playing' my compositions out. Being that I happened to have seven disks of Acidized loops, to play around with, I thought that I would delve a little into that area. Though I don't think that I would ever try to finish something entirely from loops, I thought that it would be interesting to incorporate some of the loops within a few of my works (especially the drums, seeing as how they are - to me, at least - the most challenging part of the creation process).

But thanks anyway, Pal.
 
Sorry -- I didn't mean to imply anything one way or the other. I wasn't making any judgement or anything -- I just saw the demo the other day and remembered how easy it looked to shift one note in an existing audio loop, non-destructively.

Hope you get something worked out.

Ciao,

Q.
 
Qwerty said:
Sorry -- I didn't mean to imply anything one way or the other. I wasn't making any judgement or anything --

Q.


Q,

PLEASE don't make the mistake of feeling that I was negatively rubbed by the contents of your reply - for that is truly NOT the case. I welcomed & appreciated your input, and there was nothing even slightly offensive about what you offered. I was trying to state that the matter was not such a huge issue for me, due to the fashion by which I prefer to construct my songs. To be honest, I would have downloaded the program that you mentioned, and explored the 'looping concern' to greater depths, had it not been for a problem which surfaced, last night. If you don't mind, I'd like to share it with you. I copied it from another forum that I had posted it to, much earlier this morning, and it is a little lengthy. But it will explain why I am not traveling any further within this. Here goes:
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Sonar Producer Will Have To Go Back (DANG IT!!).
'Gotta give you the whole story.
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As those of you (who have read my posts) know, I had been very interested in purchasing Sonar Producer. It turned out, however, that this wasn't to be - in any way - financially feasible for me. Now, I have a brother in St. Louis, MO (about 14 hrs. away) who is also very musically inclined, and who was also interested in the very same program. Not long ago, he was blessed to come into funds enough to upgrade to the Producer version, from his Sonar 2.0. When he made the order he questioned as to whether Cakewalk would be adverse to his giving me his 2.0 version. They responded that they wouldn't have issue with that, but informed him that I just wouldn't be able to take advantage of upgrades, or tech support. Then I received a call from him, a few weeks ago, and I assumed that the nature of the call was to enlighten me that 2.0 was on its way. But that was not the case. From this call I learned that his packages, from Cakewalk, had arrived earlier that day. You'll notice that I said 'packages' - with an s - because there were two of them. That's right - TWO. But here's the kicker: Sometime after the arrival of these packages - and just before his call to me - he was contacted by someone at Cakewalk, about the shipment. The individual explained to my brother that he had been charged double the amount of his order. My brother told him that there appeared to be two program packages shipped (he hadn't opened either of them at the time), and that he would send one back. But the Cakewalk CSR told him not to bother; apologized for any problems that the overcharging might have caused his account to suffer (there WERE a few bounced checks, due to this); and stated that the ENTIRE amount would be credited BACK to his account.

Man...talk about a manufacturer making good on a mistake!!

So, my brother ships me one of the packages, and I CAN'T WAIT until this program gets here. I get it set up on my computer, and I have to tell you - I'm in LA LA LAND. I go immediately online and register it, then jump into it. This program is just out-of-this-world, and I have really gotten quite attached to it. I mean REALLY ATTACHED!!
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Last week, my brother had called Cakewalk to inquire as to the status of this account crediting matter - because his account still hadn't showed any evidence of said credit having been applied. The CSR whom he spoke with (a different fellow, this time) explained to my brother that the merchandise would have to be returned in order for an account crediting to be effectuated. So my brother ships the 2nd package back. The next day, he calls Cakewalk back with another question on the matter, and tells the guy to whom he was speaking with that the package had been shipped off. And guess what this worker's reply to that was?: "You didn't have to send it back. You could have kept it and your account would have STILL been zeroed out, due to the circumstances". So my brother makes a bee line to the postal office, and attempts to halt the shipment - but they say that there is nothing that could be done. So my brother makes yet another call to Cakewalk, explains the situation, and is advised that if the package does indeed come back it won't be re-shipped.
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His next call was made last night - but this time to me. I asked him to contact Cakewalk once again; request a sealed package to be sent to him, and an RMA number for the return of the one that I have. He doesn't have internet service, and can't always get in touch with me - which is to say that he would experience delays in getting help, or tech support if he kept the program that I have. As earlier stated, I have already registered it, and any inquries would have to be directed through me. Besides, he shouldn't even have to deal with it in that manner because HE'S the one who shelled out his hard earned cash for it. I know that (after all is said and done) I could still get his version 2.0, but I am so spoiled on this 'Producer' that I don't know if it (2.0) would mean nearly as much to me. I guess it could be argued that I could just keep it (Producer) on my system, and use it anyway. But, for me, the manuals would be direly needed and, besides, I wouldn't feel right - under the current circumstances - seeking answers to any questions on operations within the program from this forum - or anywhere, for that matter.
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It's a DOWNRIGHT DIRTY SHAME, and I'm really trying to be big about it. Oh well, al least I now know where my next free $500 will be going to (in the next year or two :) ). I didn't mean to be so lengthy on this, but they say that 'letting it out' tends to make you feel better.

NOT!!! :( :(
 
Bummer dude...

I hope it works out for you. There are plenty of cheaper alternatives with less functionality from Cakewalk. A good trick is to wait until you start getting sniffs of the next version of Sonar shipping. Then, buy a copy of the current software - GT Pro or something else 'cheap' - as they are getting discounted by retailers looking to clean out old stock before the new version ships.

Once you have this cheaper product, register it and then take advantage of the upgrade to the next version of Sonar. It will be MUCH cheaper than buying the full product.

Alternatively, I got into the full version of Sonar after I bought a higher-end sound card that came with a bundled version of Cakewalk Pro Audio v9. I upgraded this to the full version of, (the then flagship product), Sonar 2.2XL for about $US195.

Hope my evil plans come in handy.

Ciao,

Q.
 
Q,

'Sounds like a plan to follow, indeed :) .

And thanks for everything, my friend.
 
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