e-604's bleed on toms

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Hello,
I recently purchased a three pack of e-604's to use in a project next month. I will be using them on toms. Should I be concerned with any cymbol bleed?
I know these mics are condensers and I am used to using sm-57's on toms.
 
If you are referring to the Sennheiser e604, they are dynamic mics, not condensers. There will always be a certain amount of bleed into any mic on a drumkit. Minimize it with positioning and, if necessary, gating of the tracks.
 
I have 4 e604's and I was quite surprised at the small amount of bleed. Like Scrubs said, there will always be some bleeding when recording drums. These are awesome drums mics....before them I also used 57's and the 604's are better IMO.
 
scrubs said:
If you are referring to the Sennheiser e604, they are dynamic mics, not condensers. There will always be a certain amount of bleed into any mic on a drumkit. Minimize it with positioning and, if necessary, gating of the tracks.
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In his defense I'm staring at sweetwaters catalog right now and right under "sennheiser e604" it says "clip-on condenser mic" yet on their website it says dynamic. Probably an error but it says it twice in the ad.
 
..excellent mics!! Once I used lots of gates on them , now I'm trying without for a more natural sounding drum-Kit.
 
The problem won't be with cymbal bleed but ring from the shells bleeding over from other instruments. My kick has two toms attached and everytime I kick the drum I hear a low ring in the mics since they're attached to the rim. I gate all the tom mics anyhow so it's no big deal.

Gates, your recording friend.

I love the e604s, I love em more gated.
 
While the 604 is pretty much cardioid at most frequencies, it becomes hypercardioid at high frequencies, so cymbal bleed is less of a problem.
 
If you are getting too much cymbal bleed:
1. The mics aren't aimed properly
2. The drummer is beating the crap out of the cymbals while lightly tapping on the toms
3. The cymbals are too close to the toms.
4. Any combination of the above.

I have used these almost exclusively for almost 10 years (they used to be 504's) and have never had a bleed problem unless one of those 4 things happened.
 
Yeah, sweetwater list these as condensers. Thanks for the input!
 
Farview said:
If you are getting too much cymbal bleed:
1. The mics aren't aimed properly
2. The drummer is beating the crap out of the cymbals while lightly tapping on the toms
3. The cymbals are too close to the toms.
4. Any combination of the above.

I have used these almost exclusively for almost 10 years (they used to be 504's) and have never had a bleed problem unless one of those 4 things happened.
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I agree with Farview. If you are getting too much bleed from the cymbals and you can’t get a good mic position, try to get the drummer to raise the cymbals as high as possible but still comfortable for him to play well. (I have had inexperienced drummers who could not play if their ride was not more than an inch or so above their floor tom.)
 
With the ride, if you place the diaphragm at the same level as the cymbal, you can eliminate a lot of it. The sound comes off a cymbal on the top and bottom, not at the edge. There is a dead spot that you can exploit. You will still get the reflection off the drum, but it will be better.
 
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