dont now what to buy please help me

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im just starting to record. i have many songs put together butnow i wanna record them and show them to people. i dont want to make like a masterpiece i jsut want to make a demo so i can send them to record companies.
i have no clue what to buy plz help me. i was looking at the tascam mkIII but i dont know if i shoudl buy it!
 
It depends on how many instruments you want to record and your budget.The tascam you mentioned is a descent piece of equiptment for starting out on.If your going to be recording more than 4 instruments, then you'll be bouncing tracks, which means loss of sound quality and loss of control over individual instruments.I started out with a 424 mkIII and quickly out grew it.
 
o ok

im recording drums, guitar, and bass, and vocals
my budget is like 300-500 dollars
i want a good recorder to make a good clear demo so i can show record companies
later
 
Do you have a computer? You'll need monitors (speakers) too.

Beez
 
yeha

yeah i have a computer but i dont plan to record on my computer (only to burn to cd)
 
I'm pretty sure the Tascam 424mkIII would fit your needs, as described.

They're very reasonable for $329/new, over the counter and online, of which you might find a free shipping deal, too.

This stays in line with your budget, and you might have enough scratch left to score an SM57, cable & stand. Shop the big chain gear sales, though. A couple years ago, GC was blowing out SM57's w/cable and stand, for $80. That was a sale item, but there are many mic/cable/stand deals out there, if you shop hard enough.

People love recording on their computers, though, and it gives a whole other world of possibilities with your music, if you consider overall track count, efx and editing features. I'd say that a majority of people prefer recording onto their computers, IMO.

But, [IMO], recording on the computer is a very mousey, gadgety, & finicky platform to record on, sometimes, and even those made-for-DAW controller "mixer" interfaces leave a lot to be desired.

You have to be very much in love with [fond of] your computer, to really love recording on your computer. [MO]

Some people just flat-out don't like recording on the 'puter, and don't want to do it. Count me as one.

I think some "standalones", all-in-one-type recorder/mixer combos are often a better digital solution, but those units often have glaring inadequacies, such as track time limitations, track-at-once limitations, format or backup limitations. Shop the digital standalone recorder/mixer workstations very carefully. There's dozens of newer and older digital "porta's", and I could not address the features and limitations of them all. Let's just say, for the record, that I have the analog mixer, digital HD recorder, Fostex FD-4 & FD-8, plus, the one-of-a-kind Tascam 564 Minidisc Portastudio. Those are the 3 digi-porta's that I can endorse, but again, that's MO. YMMV.

In new, affordable 8-track all-in-one-er's, there's the Fostex MR-8, which at present time is HUGELY popular. It gives you a lot, for $299. It's another solid-state multitracker, that records up to 8 tracks, 2 at a time, and interfaces to the 'puter for it's up/downloads by USB. It's a very small, handy, self-contained unit, that has the typical 2-in mixer that these budget units tend to have. It records in cd standard digital format, FWIW. It's very popular unit, for pricepoint alone. 8-tracks/$299/new.

There are a lot of digital-memory 4-trackers out there now, too, but they're integrally linked with the 'puter for upload/download. Even though they're small and convenient, [IMO] they have some mixer inadequacies, [the 2-input mixer] and other issues [2-simul-max]. I don't like any of the solid-state 4-trackers out there very much, so I'm not inclined to recommend them. Some people like these digital-memory, solid-state, ultra-miniaturized 4-trackers a lot, and swear by them, but YMMV.

For all these solid-state, memory-stick based multitrack recorders, referenced above, if you want longer runtime, the larger memory cards will cost you extra money.

[IMO] To learn the art of production, mixing and recording, from the very ground up, that's not as gadgety in it's functions, but records and mixes well,... and you think you could function with 4-tracks,... you're best set with the 424mkIII, for new equipment.

Or, if you would consider used equipment, for less money than the 424mkIII/new, you could find a used Tascam 246, which is the 2nd gen vintage analog Tascam Portastudio, and [IMO] is one of the best in features. The 246 has a higher mixer function capacity than the 424mkIII, and many other Porta's. You'd have to shop Ebay wisely, to score the most low use and mint condition 246 as possible.

A mint or near-mint 246 can often be bought, used, for about $225. 15 years ago, as new, the MSRP of the 246 was $1350. It was very advanced for it's time, and is so feature-packed, that it stands up very well as compared to most other 4-trackers. The Tascam 246 is a great item to find as used/mint.

Check Ebay/Tascam to see what's on the used market. If budget is a huge concern, there's some fantastic bang-for-your-buck in Ebay deals, but buyer beware! PS: Fostex too. See: Ebay/Fostex.

I'm into genuine Tascam Portastudios, and I think they're a great place to start recording, especially for young people, recording starters, and people on a budget who want mixing options, good sound & affordable convenience. They're simple, easy to learn, & useful. They're also full-functioned enough to sustain viable recording options for more experienced users and more complex productions.

Pls don't ever let me catch you calling any non-Tascam multitracker a "Portastudio". Tascam is the Portastudio, and all the others are 'porta-studio-like-devices', porta's, standalones, DAW's, whatever, but not Portastudios.

[IMO] You get more "hands-on" orientation with a Portastudio, and you get more messages, menus, hangups, interference and eye strain in 'puter recording. The 'puter side of recording offers a lot, but it's not for everyone, so think about it, and keep your options open when shopping.

It's a question for which the answer could go on forever,... and nearly did!;)

People have alternate opinions. Those are mine. Have fun gear shopping and recording!

;)
 
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so much info this helped me a lot thank you i think imma buy teh tascamand only use 2 mics on drums
you think this is a good idea?
 
Well, there's lots of options, and no single most correct way to do things,...

and recording a drum set with 2 mics is feasible and reasonable, as long as you realized you'd probably be best, at first, to mix those two drum mics to mono, and recorded drums in mono to a single tape track. That's simply to economize tracks, of which you'll only have 4 primary tracks.

There are alternate configurations and signal routings you could do, f/i, record the kick to one track, and the other drum mic to a second track, which gives you greater flexibility, but sucks up two tracks at a time.

Or, if you have more of a live setup, you may want to record drums and bass simultaneously in stereo, in one take, but that locks the bass and drum parts together on the tracks. It's an option, though.

To get a drumset recorded in basic stereo, or perhaps two discrete tracks with kick separate from toms, you'd use 2 tracks by definition, and this could also be accomplished with a "track-bounce", which is a more advanced technique.

Well, Portastudios are great little units, and the 424mkIII is the topline analog Porta- out there, but still has a few limitations of it's own. For real topline features and function, you're still looking at the Tascam 246.

There are two other used/vintage Tascam Portastudios out there that have higher function than the new 424mkIII, and they're the Tascam 464 and 644. They both have more high-techy and gadgety features than the 246, but are both roughly equivalent to the 246. However, the 464 has an LCD-driven track assignment and level meter, and that 644 has LCD and built-in MIDI-sync.

I just had to reference the 464 & 644, fwiw, because some people get fidgety if I don't, but I still recommend the 246 over all of 'em.

My friend, a Tascam Portastudio is a fine place to start, for learners with modest production needs, like yourself. It's affordable, and sounds surprisingly good, if used to it's optimum capacity. You may outgrow it, in time, but it will sustain advanced users and productions, probably more than people would appreciate at first glance. Later on, even if you may outgrow it, you may use the Portastudio in conjunction with other more advanced recorders and mixers, as a PA mixer, or even,... gulp,... as a mixer interfaced to your 'puter DAW, if you really wanted to.

I have many various Tascam Portastudios, [and certain other non-Tascam porta's], so I speak about them from experience. Even the ones I don't have, I have studied very closely. I'm unusual, for having so many Portastudios, but I do love them, and I still swear by them. After 20 years of home recording experiments,... uh,... I mean,... experience,... I still have not exhausted the possibilities of 4-track Portastudio recording.

Did I tell'yall, that a few weeks ago I scored a mint Tascam 488mkII? Yeah, it's a beauty! [FYI] It's a 12-input mixer, 4-buss matrix, 8-track cassette recorder, that records up to 4-tracks simultaneously,... and came with a brand new BOOK/$25-retail-value, all for $325! That's net ~ $300 for the 488mkII/mint!

Oh, how sweet it is!

Anyway, enough about me. Catch that on other threads, maybe.

That's a continuing explanation of my ideas regarding basic home recording gear. Other people will have alternate views, and will tell you alternate advice themselves.

It's a personal decision, in the end.
 
My 2 cents . . .


Don't even bother with it, unless you have a strong interest in recording, or if it's just for fun.

If you want record companies to take you seriously, then get it professionally done. $500 could probably get you a good, solid 3-5 song demo (depending on how fast you work) at a lot of smaller studios and good project studios.
 
chessrock said:
My 2 cents . . .


Don't even bother with it, unless you have a strong interest in recording, or if it's just for fun.

If you want record companies to take you seriously, then get it professionally done. $500 could probably get you a good, solid 3-5 song demo (depending on how fast you work) at a lot of smaller studios and good project studios.


I agree.A portastudio is good for a song writing sketch pad, for working out songs.If you want to impress record companies and have a $500 budget, get your demo professionally done.
 
yeah

i dont know where in new york to go to record a song proffesionally and recording companies dont really care about the sound they care about the music
 
Re: yeah

14yearoldkid said:
i dont know where in new york to go to record a song proffesionally and recording companies dont really care about the sound they care about the music
First off -- reality check..... record companies didn't care about the quality years ago, when it was impossible for anyone outside of the industry to put together a good-sounding recording -- today, the bar has been raised quite a bit in terms of recording quality.

Also -- don't get your heart set on getting much response from record companies anymore... cold-call tapes simply don't get listened to -- the only way your CD would get heard is if it was passed-on via someone from the inside... there's just too much out there for them to weed thru, that they don't have the time or resources to listen unless someone (a producer or manager they have a trust and rapport with) recommends it...
 
I agree. Do music & home recording for fun, or for art.

If you care about recording, then get into home recording. If your main concern is making the ultimate demo, then get some pro studio time with the money, instead.

There's a vast difference in learning between Newbie recording and engineering the ultimate demo. It's called learning the ropes, or paying your dues. After a fair amount of experience, t & e, & learning curve, some people can make great sounding demos at home, on all sorts of equipment and recording platforms. A lot of it's talent, though, and the more raw talent you have,& the better your ears are, the better your home demos will ultimately sound.

I'm just a hack, but I know an incredibly talented guitarist, who's making dynamite sounding demos on a modest home recording setup. More, lots of you guys in the MP3 mixing forum are making great sounding home demos.

Home recording is a good value in learning & valuable experience, worth doing for the sheer fun of it. Home recording gear is endlessly cool.

Alternately, pro studio recording time is usually worth what you pay for it.

It depends what you're after.;)

If you send a musician to pro recording session, you record the musician's session, and your results should sound really professional.

If you give the musician recording equipment and teach him how to record, you give the musician a recording solution, but it takes a while to grow into getting better results with recording, & not necessarily "pro" results.
 
Re: Re: yeah

Blue Bear Sound said:
Also -- don't get your heart set on getting much response from record companies anymore... cold-call tapes simply don't get listened to -- the only way your CD would get heard is if it was passed-on via someone from the inside... there's just too much out there for them to weed thru, that they don't have the time or resources to listen unless someone (a producer or manager they have a trust and rapport with) recommends it...

You left out the biggest reason of all Blue.....I can't believe it........:D

Record companies don't wanna get sued over someone saying they wrote that song!
 
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