Do I NEED bass absorption?

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Diffusion

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Heres the deal. I am currently using a single room for both recording and mixing purposes. I am trying to figure out the best way to treat my room for both these purposes, that I can actually afford. Now, keep in mind that when I say "mixing", all i am really doing is adjusting the volumes of my vocals and adding some reverb etc. I will be rapping over pre-made beats that have already been mixed, so i will not need to touch them. Also, when i say "recording", all i am tracking is my vocals. No instruments, just vocals. Now my question is, since I will not need to eq my beats, do i really NEED bass traps? or could i just settle with some 2" auralex foam around my room to deaden my room a little?
 
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Well, ok, here's my take. The big question, as usual, is ...ARE YOU PLANNING ON THESE RECORDINGS LEAVING YOUR STUDIO? In other words, are these simply for RE LISTENING to in the same room? Or are these DEMO's, which will be played on OTHER systems.
If these are for your own use, well, it's your ears only. So, do what ever sounds good to you. Since the recordings will never be played over other systems, simply EQ to taste. Thats what people do on OTHER systems.

However, IF these are demo's, then they need to have TRANSLATION adjustments. The ONLY way they will translate to other systems is IF THE ROOM DOESN"T LIE TO YOU. You have TWO scenarios. One, recording. Two, mixing. If the room lies during recording, then it will lie again when mixing. However, the real problem is monitoring while recording. There is no way, especially since you are recording yourself, which means you must listen to the other tracks on headphones, which ultimately LIE in the first place. You don't have the option of hearing the recording on monitors in a seperate room WHILE YOU RECORD IT. Therefore, it is even more important to trust what your monitors AND room tell you when mixing. This means having the flattest foom response you can afford to get. This also means having a room that you are NOT trying to record the ambience of the room, otherwise, when you mix, you will get the same thing, which is not necessarily the best scenario to MIX in. Therefore you have TWO options.
One, build your treatment as a flexible environment whereby you can CHANGE the RT-60. One environment would have a more reflective quality, IF you want to capture the ambience of the room. This would entail perhaps louvers over broadband absorbers, or the use of Slat resonators on the rear side walls and rear wll possibly. The slats will reflect while the slots between the slats allow for absorption via rigid fiberglass behind. The slats could actually be louvers if designed correctly. You could change these at will to allow for more or less broadband absorption/reflection. Keep your mixing environment the same however. Sidewall/cloud absorbers for early reflection control, possibly soffit mounting speakers, or use corner absorbers behind the monitors, and at the rear corners, with slat absorber on the rear wall with deep cavities behind for lower/mid frequency absorption/ and slats for reflection. Possibly a diffuser on the rear wall, such as a polycylindrical or two. Or a combination. It all depends on your room geometry, dimensions and over all engineering space vs depth to rear wall.
Two, use as much absorption/bass traps as possible, making a dead space for recording, and putting up removable reflective panels for ambience to taste while recording/mixing. There are many possibilities.
The point is, to TRANSLATE to other systems if these recordings leave your premisis for other ears to hear. No matter what, if these are SUB MASTERS, to be MASTERED in another facility, then it is even more imperitve to have a room whereby the Mastering engineer has something to work with that needs NO seperate tracking EQ. He can't alter specific tracks after you have mixed them...understand?

But if these are only for your ears, in your studio, well, hell, just eq it to taste. Whats the point of spending a lot of money and time if it can sound good to you just using an EQ. Understand?

Well, thats my .02. Hope it helps filter out the REASON for the treatment.
fitZ
 
thanks for the response... yes, i am recording demos, but i still just dont get it though... dont get me wrong, i understand how important room treatment is for mixing, but like i said, as far as mixing all i am doing is adjusting the volume of my vocals and eq'ing them a little... i thought bass freq's in the human voice weren't even really noticeable anyway... i just bought some auralex for a great price on the bay, but shouldn't it be enough to cover roughly 75% of my walls in 2" auralex for "mixing" and tracking?
 
i think it all depends on how seriously you're wanting to take it. if you just want to roll of the low-end to get rid of the low end, then that would work to some extent. i have bass traps. i LOVE my bass traps. i think they're the best purchase i've made. but, my mixing involves much more than "adjusting the volume of my vocals." but, covering 75% of your room with auralex doesn't sound like it's going to do a whole lot other than kill your upper-mids and high end frequencies.
 
what im trying to acheive are good quality recordings, but not album quality... ill just be making mixtapes and demos... now, if i was mixing entire tracks and beats, sure, i'd get bass traps and foam and all that good shit, but im not...

this is the first song i ever mixed... it was mixed on $10 computer speakers, with absolutely no acoustic treatment:

Light It Up

Now, I know the low freq's on the beat are way too loud, but that was my stupid mistake for boosting them when the beat was already made for me... other than that, all i did was adjust the volumes on the vocals... i know it isn't perfect, far from it, but now i have BX5's and some auralex, so shouldn't that be enough AT LEAST for vocal volumes and reverb etc?
 
Diffusion said:
Now, I know the low freq's on the beat are way too loud, but that was my stupid mistake for boosting them when the beat was already made for me...

I dunno, it sounds pretty weak in the low freq's here........and WAY loud.
 
really? well, like i said i mixed in on shit ass speakers...

can anyone understand what im trying to say here though?
 
Diffusion said:
really? well, like i said i mixed in on shit ass speakers...

can anyone understand what im trying to say here though?

I understand.

Yes, you could just use auralex - it won't do much though. In your genre of music, the vocal is the key element, and I would want to hear what is going on with it. I can tell you, from my experience, room traetment makes a huge difference in ALL PARTS of the mix. I ended up remixing everything after my treatment. In particular the main vox.

I think Rick laid out the reasons FOR trapping/treatment really well.........
 
NL5 said:
Yes, you could just use auralex - it won't do much though.
Explain? Auralex is designed specifically for studio purposes... i know it is not as good as fiberglass, but why do you say it wont do much?
 
Diffusion said:
Explain? Auralex is designed specifically for studio purposes... i know it is not as good as fiberglass, but why do you say it wont do much?


There are about a million threads explaining "Why". Do a search. Check out www.realtraps.com as well. Great articles on that site that explain everything.
 
i just bought some auralex for a great price on the bay, but shouldn't it be enough to cover roughly 75% of my walls in 2" auralex for "mixing" and tracking?
Lets cut the crap Diffusion. If you've ALREADY bought the stuff, put it up, do a recording, mix it, and play it back in ANOTHER SYSTEM in ANOTHER ROOM. If you are happy with the translation...VOILA! If not, re read what we told you.
 
RICK FITZPATRICK said:
Lets cut the crap Diffusion. If you've ALREADY bought the stuff, put it up, do a recording, mix it, and play it back in ANOTHER SYSTEM in ANOTHER ROOM. If you are happy with the translation...VOILA! If not, re read what we told you.
You know he won't listen anyways....... and he doesn't appear to be interested in actually doing the research you suggest.

Sometimes you really have to wonder why these people come here asking for advice when what they really want is certification of their beliefs.......
 
i have researched... a lot actually... but everything i have read is the same... spend hundreds of dollars on foam, bass traps, or fiberglass... but, that all has to do with mixing ENTIRE tracks, including every little instrument... i dont need to do all that, its already done for me... i guess ill do what rick said.. put the shit up and see what happens...

thanks for everyones feedback...
 
> all has to do with mixing ENTIRE tracks, including every little instrument... i dont need to do all that, its already done for me... <

If you are making no mixing decisions beyond how loud your rap is compared to the rest of the mix, you don't need bass traps. However - and this is a big one - if you plan to use EQ at all, or may ever in the future work with either real mixing or even separate loops of bass and drums etc, then you really do want bass trapping. Heck, even if you only listen to music you should get the acoustics right.

--Ethan
 
Diffusion,
You might as well just mix with some good quality headphones and skip the whole bass trap dilema. If you're not concerned about "album quality" that'll take care of it.

I agree with what fraserhutch said. You ask for advice and then try your best to rebuke the teachings of these fine folks. In the very least you seem like some one who's dead set on a particular idea or design and what you really want is some one to agree with you because you're going through with it weather anyone agrees or not. Case in point - your blanket vocal booth thread. I don't mean to sound like I'm flaming you. I just think if you're set on a concept, (as rick has said) just do it and if you like it, you've accomplished your goal.
 
thanks Ethan... now, you said if i plan to do any eq'ing i should get traps... i understand that... BUT, what if i am just eq'ing vocals? Aren't the low freq's in vocals barely, if at all, noticeable? Or am i horribly mistaken..
 
chris-from-ky said:
I agree with what fraserhutch said. You ask for advice and then try your best to rebuke the teachings of these fine folks. In the very least you seem like some one who's dead set on a particular idea or design and what you really want is some one to agree with you because you're going through with it weather anyone agrees or not. Case in point - your blanket vocal booth thread. I don't mean to sound like I'm flaming you. I just think if you're set on a concept, (as rick has said) just do it and if you like it, you've accomplished your goal.

no, im not "set" on anything... i just felt like i wasnt explaining my situation well enough, and that no one really understood what i was trying to say...
 
Diffusion said:
no, im not "set" on anything... i just felt like i wasnt explaining my situation well enough, and that no one really understood what i was trying to say...
Let me see if I'm on the same page as you...

1. you're recording vocals to pre made beats.
2. you're not concerned with "highest quality possible"
3. you want to know based on the previous points if you "need" bass traps.

the short answer is no.
 
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