Do I HAVE to use pro tools?

  • Thread starter Thread starter emomusician
  • Start date Start date
E

emomusician

New member
If I bought the digi design 001, is it required that I use protools software in order to record with it? If not, what programs will work? If how, how easy is it to learn, and how limited am I in doing stuff with it.

I can get the digi 001 on ebay for 200.00 or less now, so my next question is. If you were to recommend anything other than the digi that can record at least 4 simultaneous tracks,(4 ins/outs). What would it be, thats still in that price range?
 
I don't use 001, but I do use 002, and by and large, Digidesign is a builder of firmware, This means that the Digidevice, whatever it is, tells a computer how to run Pro Tools. Part of the software is in the computer, and part of it is in the device. Except in the highest end (read *wicked* expensive) versions, you can't use Pro Tools without the device, and the device only uses Pro Tools. There are some ways around this. Pro Tools stores music data as WAV. files. WAV. files can be transferred into other software formats, and then can be processed in any way you want. However, the file is going to begin as a Pro Tools session.
Right now, I'm recording a 12 part radio play with is being recorded in Pro Tools but processed in Sonar. So technicially, you will have to record in Pro Tools, but you can do the post-production in any software you want.-Richie
 
emomusician said:
If I bought the digi design 001, is it required that I use protools software in order to record with it? If not, what programs will work? If how, how easy is it to learn, and how limited am I in doing stuff with it.

I can get the digi 001 on ebay for 200.00 or less now, so my next question is. If you were to recommend anything other than the digi that can record at least 4 simultaneous tracks,(4 ins/outs). What would it be, thats still in that price range?
Click to expand...

I'm not completely sure that you HAVE to use pro-tools with the DIGI 001, but you definitely can't use pro-tools without digi hardware. I believe I've heard of people using digi hardware with other software before, but I haven't experienced that personally.

As far as your other question, you can pick up a Presonus Inspire right now brand new for $200, and it comes with Cubase LE and has 4 analog ins. If you don't have to stay firewire, you could pick up a PCI card like the Delta 44 or 66 new for under $200. You might even be able to find a used Delta 1010 or 1010lt for close to that. You might also think about the Presonus Firebox, which goes new for $299, but you might be able to procure one used for close to your $200 mark. The 001 is an older piece of equipment that I heard had some driver stability problems that were worked out with the 002. If 4 ins is all your needing, then you could probably get a newer, better piece of equipment with much more solid and current driver support than the 001. Just my 5 cents (yes 5, not 2 :D )
 
the 001 is a piece of legacy hardware no longer supported by Digi (last Pro Tools version it works with is 6.4.1....and probably won't be supported very much longer with other apps). However, it does still work. That being said:

supported programs with the ASIO driver:
Ableton LIVE Digidesign Edition
Applied Acoustics Systems Lounge Lizard v1.0 and v2.0
Applied Acoustics Systems Tassman v3.02
Arturia Moog Modular V v1.1
Emagic Logic Audio 5.01
Image Line Fruity Loops 3
Native Instruments Absynth v2.01
Native Instruments B4 v1.1.1
Native Instruments Battery v1.1
Native Instruments FM7 v1.1
Native Instruments Kontakt v1.2.1
Native Instruments Pro-52 v2.5
Native Instruments Pro-53 v1.0
Native Instruments Reaktor v3.0
Propellerhead Reason 2.0
Propellerhead Reason Adapted
Sonic Foundry Acid Pro 4.0
Sonic Foundry Vegas 4.0
Steinberg Cubase SX 1.06
Steinberg Nuendo 1.5.2 and 2.01
Steinberg Wavelab 4.0


Supported programs with the Wave Driver:
Microsoft Media Player 8.x and 9
Musicmatch Jukebox 8.0
Nullsoft Winamp 2.91 and 3.0
Propellerhead Rebirth 2.01
Sonic Foundry CD Architect 5.0
Sonic Foundry Sound Forge 4.x and 6.0


Supported programs with the Core Audio driver:
Ableton Live 3.0.x
Apple DVD Player v4.0
Apple FinalCut Pro v4.5
Apple Garage Band 1.1
Apple iTunes 4.5
Apple QuickTime 6.5.1
Bias Peak v4.1
Celemony Melodyne v2.5
Emagic Logic Audio Pro 6.4.1
Mark of the Unicorn Digital Performer 4.1.2
Native Instruments FM 7 v1.1.2
Native Instruments Absynth 2.0.4
Propellerhead Reason Adapted
Propellerhead Reason v2.5
Propellerhead ReCycle v2.1
RealOne v9.0
Roxio Jam v6.0
Roxio Toast v6.0
Steinberg Cubase SX v1.0.52
Windows Media Player v7.1.3
 
The digi001 isn't even 5 years old yet is it? ALREADY not being supported.

There are going to be some PISSED OFF digi001 users, buying a that package with all the promises of it working great for years to come. LOL

Good ol' digidesign. I am SO glad I never fell for their hook!
 
Ford Van said:
The digi001 isn't even 5 years old yet is it? ALREADY not being supported.

There are going to be some PISSED OFF digi001 users, buying a that package with all the promises of it working great for years to come. LOL

Good ol' digidesign. I am SO glad I never fell for their hook!
Click to expand...

ummmm, yeah :rolleyes:

the 001 is 6 years old, released in 1999. And Digi discontinued support for it about a year ago....2 years AFTER it's brother, the 002, came out. So this is not new news at all. Digi doesn't even sell the 001 in stores anymore, so anyone buying it is buying it used on ebay or something. Welcome to the world of digital....shit changes. You can't honestly expect a company to keep everything they've ever released compatible with all their newer, better, stuff.
 
Yeah, Benny, but only 5 years?

I was able to order a pinch roller and manual from tascam for a tape machine that is over 20 years old. I used a four track cassette machine for almost 12 years.

5 years of software compatibility simply is not enough. If they cut off my 002 in three years (5 years after it was released) I will be *pissed*. Sure I can still use it at whatever level they decide to stop supporting it and it will work fine... but in this regard Digi is NOT winning any awards. Same deal (only worse) with the Mix system. People shelled out a LOT of cash for those things only to get a few years out of them before Digi came out with something way better and decided to try and sweep the old stuff under the rug.

Not good at all. With any luck my ADATs and reel to reel machines will still be functioning when Digi decides to sweep the 002 under the rug. I'm happy enough with Pro Tools and have gotten a ton of work because I know it and own it... but this aspect of the company I won't defend. They shouldn't be cutting costs at the expense of their costumers who already own their gear. It looks too much like they are embarrassed by and want to get rid of stuff they wish they did better- with good reason...

Cheap sin for a software company- why would they offer support and continue developing software that is 5 years old?! Cardinal sin for a hardware manufacturer, though. At least they do offer trade in discounts.

-C
 
Chris Shaeffer said:
At least they do offer trade in discounts.

-C
Click to expand...

yes, and this is a big plus for people who are concerned about it.

i can understand people's frustration...i myself use a mix system. But I don't blame the company for it, especially after 5 years. If we want them to concentrate on making new stuff better they can't keep worrying about keeping up the old gear too. Granted, some of it probably is a marketing idea in order to get people to get the 002. But everyone knows that once you buy a piece of digital equipment, it's going to be surpassed in a couple of months by something else. I guess you could complain that Windows 98 or 2000 isn't supproted anymore either...and it's only been about 5 years there. But software companies can't stick around making software compatible with all versions. Same thing with the new Xbox 360 and PS3 that's coming out, should they keep making games for their older systems too?

Analog is one thing...tape machines, outboard gear, mixers were made and bought with the notion that you were going to keep them for years and years to come. But until all companies stop putting out updates for their software, we'll just have to change with the times.
 
The software is tied to hardware, but the hardware does not depend on the software. I know guys with the MBox 1&2, 001, and 002 and only the guy with the 002 is using pro tools. The other fellas are using SONAR, Tracktion, Logic, you name it.
 
bennychico11 said:
yes, and this is a big plus for people who are concerned about it.

i can understand people's frustration...i myself use a mix system. But I don't blame the company for it, especially after 5 years. If we want them to concentrate on making new stuff better they can't keep worrying about keeping up the old gear too. Granted, some of it probably is a marketing idea in order to get people to get the 002. But everyone knows that once you buy a piece of digital equipment, it's going to be surpassed in a couple of months by something else. I guess you could complain that Windows 98 or 2000 isn't supproted anymore either...and it's only been about 5 years there. But software companies can't stick around making software compatible with all versions. Same thing with the new Xbox 360 and PS3 that's coming out, should they keep making games for their older systems too?

Analog is one thing...tape machines, outboard gear, mixers were made and bought with the notion that you were going to keep them for years and years to come. But until all companies stop putting out updates for their software, we'll just have to change with the times.
Click to expand...

I would expect nothing less from a ProTools user. Defending the crap to the very end.

I sure wish I could afford to get stroked by them on a yearly basis!

Alesis STILL supports ADAT's!
 
Raw-Tracks said:
Are they releasing software updates for ADAT's?
Click to expand...

No need to. The current software works just fine and the last update to it addressed all software related "issues".

Call digidesign tech support concerning a digi001. See what kind of help you will get.

Send the unit to them for repair! See what kind of response you get.

;)

Just admit it, digidesign suckz ballz!
 
Ford Van said:
No need to. The current software works just fine and the last update to it addressed all software related "issues".

Call digidesign tech support concerning a digi001. See what kind of help you will get.

Send the unit to them for repair! See what kind of response you get.

;)

Just admit it, digidesign suckz ballz!
Click to expand...


speak intelligently, please.
Digidesign WILL help you with tech support and WILL help you with repairs. They even will help you with Mix systems or the AudioMedia III modifications (assuming you can find parts still available as they are not made anymore). Look all over their tech support page on the website. They just ask you to tell them which device you have. I have been helped numerous times by them and even just recently bought software upgrade to 6.4.1 for a Mix system (which is even older than the 001, FYI)

Alesis STILL supports ADAT's!
Click to expand...

a computer DAW and ADAT are two different things. take a look at the code of the two softwares and you'll see which one takes a little bit more time and money to make.
 
Ford Van said:
No need to. The current software works just fine and the last update to it addressed all software related "issues".
Click to expand...

You're comparing apples to oranges.

Just admit it, digidesign suckz ballz!
Click to expand...

Not yet, but I hear that's coming in v7.1, a free upgrade.

Seriously, I have beat my head against the wall with both Cubase and Samlitude. I did one session on ProTools and have used it ever since. It just works the way I do.

Maybe it's just not for you.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top