DjIce-Love (Take A Listen & Comment as well!)

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Alright, in a previous artical/post, I had been given help on what to do to make "beats" more intriuging(sp?) , But as my attempt got worse & worse, I decided to just write a song, & try & make a beat to that song, knowing how the tempo should go..So, I did just that, I will not post the lyrics, YET, But I will post a link to the beat, I want opinions on it, & if I should add anything to it, or take anything away, parts of it I'm sure I will be told to remove, but I won't due to , it goes with the lyrics...Another reason I'm not posting the lyrics is because I'm missing a Verse :( & I don't want to feel stupid. But you get the main idea from the beat, Comment PLEASE...& Thanks in advance.

Here it is...

DjIce-Love


:cool: DjIce
 
Well, first you might need to get some fat drum samples to add to the sample library. Drum sounds make a big difference. That's what I first hear.

Second, more Melody. Your bass is the main instrument for the melody. Add more instruments over the bass melody like a piano, string, synth....

The bass line reminds me of a nice old school beat. If you are going for that feel, you need a more live bass sound and add variations to it. Also, big drums will add to it.

But, ya if you add a piano on the 1 & 2 that will add to it. And use chord keys.

If you have any question about chord keys or what ever, hit me up. :D
 
BeatsBuY said:
Well, first you might need to get some fat drum samples to add to the sample library. Drum sounds make a big difference. That's what I first hear.

Second, more Melody. Your bass is the main instrument for the melody. Add more instruments over the bass melody like a piano, string, synth....

The bass line reminds me of a nice old school beat. If you are going for that feel, you need a more live bass sound and add variations to it. Also, big drums will add to it.

But, ya if you add a piano on the 1 & 2 that will add to it. And use chord keys.

If you have any question about chord keys or what ever, hit me up. :D
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Quite helpful, would you mind sending me a private message that's more in detail?...or..Post here again, I'm new, once again. :) Thanks in advance either way.

:cool: DjIce
 
Here's an example. It's R&B so I thought you could hear more of the production.



Now, the beat has a main melody and a background melody playing off of the main. The spanish guitar effect was made by using the modualtion (Pitch) wheel. On the end of the note just push the wheel up and down a little. Not to much... The bass has it's own melody, but it uses the same keys. Also, at parts the Guitar is layered. The kick and claps are also layered. When you make a beat, it helps to think of each intrument as a member in a band. Each instrument plays it's part and comes in at a certain time and place. It also sets the mood and feeling. It's a composition of elements and they all work together. That's what makes a song sound good or bad. It's the harmony between instruments. You can learn about timbral balance later. Timbral balance is the relationship between sounds. Some instruments can play the same frequency and clash with each other.

Oh ya, Compose your beats in 6 or 8 bar loops and have an end tag to finish the last bar. If you listen to the Feelings beat. It changes up on the last bar loop.
 
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BeatsBuY said:
Here's an example. It's R&B so I thought you could hear more of the production.



Now, the beat has a main melody and a background melody playing off of the main. The spanish guitar effect was made by using the modualtion (Pitch) wheel. On the end of the note just push the wheel up and down a little. Not to much... The bass has it's own melody, but it uses the same keys. Also, at parts the Guitar is layered. The kick and claps are also layered. When you make a beat, it helps to think of each intrument as a member in a band. Each instrument plays it's part and comes in at a certain time and place. It also sets the mood and feeling. It's a composition of elements and they all work together. That's what makes a song sound good or bad. It's the harmony between instruments. You can learn about timbral balance later. Timbral balance is the relationship between sounds. Some instruments can play the same frequency and clash with each other.
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Wow. That is some helpful tips man, Thanks a ton!...& that beat is P.H.A.T.! if I must say so myself, Not too much to it, Just alot of layereing & Talent & that's one nice beat...Mad props, I'm gonna have to work harder now but that just opened my eyes up, to alot of new things, what program did you use to make that initial song? Curious. Thanks again.

:cool: DjIce
 
Ya, the beat is simple but because it is layered and composed, it doesn't need much. And I always say "less is more".

The beat was made on Reason by my boy D-Animals. He makes most of the beats. I just polish, master, and finish the beats up ready for projects.

I don't make as much beats as I used to. I mostly do the business side of things right now. But, I still got the knowledge... :D
 
BeatsBuY said:
Ya, the beat is simple but because it is layered and composed, it doesn't need much. And I always say "less is more".

The beat was made on Reason by my boy D-Animals. He makes most of the beats. I just polish, master, and finish the beats up ready for projects.

I don't make as much beats as I used to. I mostly do the business side of things right now. But, I still got the knowledge... :D
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Well tell yer boy, thats one tight quickie :P, & I just finished that "DjIce-Love" I redid it, & I'm playing it here to see how the changes sound & if I should do anything more to it, before I upload it, but keep an eye out, it should be up on a new thread, Very soon, Today.

:cool: DjIce

:EDIT: Thanks again, for the advice..I'd like to learn to use Reason eventually.

:EDIT #2: The Song Is UP!, Check out the difference from the original posted here, And the new improved, It's long, Kinda repeditive, But I like it better than the first one, if any ideas pop up, Lemme know! Here it is..

DjIce-Love


Listen & comment, Thanks in advance!
 
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Ya, your getting the idea. More of a composition. Intro, verse, hook, verse, hook, verse....

Try making a drum break down on ever 8 th bar. Like a dum roll. Still needs something in the verses. Keep it up... :D
 
BeatsBuY said:
Ya, your getting the idea. More of a composition. Intro, verse, hook, verse, hook, verse....

Try making a drum break down on ever 8 th bar. Like a dum roll. Still needs something in the verses. Keep it up... :D
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Alright I'll try that another time & post again, keep checkin' back. Also, do you have messenger? (MSN) or (YAHOO) it just seems easier that way I could talk to you 1 on 1, if not, that's fine, Just curious, if so, PM me your addy, or post it here..(Bad Idea Usually) :D..Thanks again.

:cool: DjIce

:EDIT: This is a song by my friends local Rap Group, he made all the beats, & him & his friends rapped over it, He used Fruity Loops, I don't know how he did it, But he made some tight stuff, I'll post their Radio Hit.

406 Mobb - What We Came Here For'

http://www.local-geek.info/406Mobb-WhatWeCameHereFor.wma

Link Should Work, If it doesn't, Give Me Feedback. Thanks.

:cool: DjIce
 
Here's a little exercise I used to do when i first started making traxx. I would listen to one of my favorite joints, and try to recreate it, sound by sound. That way it got me used to putting different sounds and sequences together. I was able to see which sounds tended to go together, and how to create complete traxx in song form. I say give it a try a couple times. I guaranty it'll help you.
 
Murdock Jones said:
Here's a little exercise I used to do when i first started making traxx. I would listen to one of my favorite joints, and try to recreate it, sound by sound. That way it got me used to putting different sounds and sequences together. I was able to see which sounds tended to go together, and how to create complete traxx in song form. I say give it a try a couple times. I guaranty it'll help you.
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Indeed, I have tried that, Didn't work very well, Due to I can't find the right "sounds" to relate to the actual song, like for instance, the "melody" type sound in eminem - Without Me, Couldn't find that, but I got the bassline...I'll find other songs & work on those, THanks for the tip :)

:cool: DjIce (PS Check the EDIT in my last post here)
 
The sounds aren't always going to be exact, just find something close enough. These dudes have access to hundreds of thousands of dollars worth in modules. It's not the sound you're working on it's the technique.
 
Ya, work on your technique first. I have 50 gigs of sounds, but it took me time to collect. I don't even use all the samples. Work with what you got. You can get free Reason Refills and .Wav files on-line.

You could also have all the pro sounds in the world, but if you don't know how to compose a beat or make your own techniques, it's useless.

Perfect your craft...
 
Word...I wish had all this support/advice when I first started....A yo Beats, when you gonna get at me so we can do some buisness?
 
BeatsBuY said:
Ya, work on your technique first. I have 50 gigs of sounds, but it took me time to collect. I don't even use all the samples. Work with what you got. You can get free Reason Refills and .Wav files on-line.

You could also have all the pro sounds in the world, but if you don't know how to compose a beat or make your own techniques, it's useless.

Perfect your craft...
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Alright that makes sense, yea' Well, I just took 10 Minutes & I made this beat, Just a little somethin' I want you to tell me what you think of this..I layered it & Made it quite different from my other BLAH Beats...Ok, & also..

BeatsBuy, I was wondering, I'm a visual learner, do you think you could consider making up a full "beat" in Fruity & actually sending me a link to download the FLP File, so I can learn what I need to be doing to make the actual song better?...Just curious, if not I'll work smarter, not harder, & See what I can come up with...Thanks in advance for all the comments & help to all.

:cool: DjIce

:EDIT: Major Props to you Beats, you've helped me alot & I haven't even been here a month yet!...

:EDIT#2: I forgot to add the link to the song I made, DOY *hits self*

DjIce-Layers


Sorry :D

:cool: DjIce
 
Tell you what I'll do. I'll make a session in Reason and make notes on the track so you can see what I did. It will also help you learn Reason...
 
BeatsBuY said:
Tell you what I'll do. I'll make a session in Reason and make notes on the track so you can see what I did. It will also help you learn Reason...
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O.k. Sounds good, Just tell me what to do, & I'll do it, I'll be checking back for replies later tonight & or tomorrow, but for now, I'm off to go chill & listen to some music & releive some daily stress, gotta love having 4 6" Bass Drivers, & a 10" Pioneer Sub, & a 540W Stereo...Plenty of bass for a 10x10 Room...L8R3z all for the night..

:cool: DjIce
 
Hey DjIce, give me a minute to get you that Reason tutorial. I'm loaded with projects this week...
 
BeatsBuY said:
Hey DjIce, give me a minute to get you that Reason tutorial. I'm loaded with projects this week...
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No Rush, no need to take time out of yer day for me, Just get to it when ye' find time, no worries. :)

:cool: DjIce
 
Tutorial

Hey Ice... Here's the Reason 3.0 Tutorial I said I would make for you. I made it fast, but I tried to add good examples. It has notes pushed back to make it groove, it has pitch bends with the "Pitch Wheel", has reverb and delay effects, layering, and different instruments playing it's part in the mix. Hope this helps you better understand...

Here's the link: :D
http://www.beatsbuy.com/Reason-Tutorial-1.zip

Ya, change it around, learn, experiment, and have fun. I didn't make the beat perfect, because I want you to fix it and add your own twist. :p
 
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