DIY API 312 pres...

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Never built one myself, the input iron is 1:10 Cinemag, plus you'll need 22K reverse log attenuators/pots, case, power supply etc. Alot of the peripheral stuff will depend on whether you want to rack them up in a standalone case or slide them into a lunchbox.

Have you ever racked up cards before? This would be a tricky first project but not impossible with the help of the guys at the lab:

http://www.prodigy-pro.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=2
 
No this will be my very first venture into DIY. I'm good with directions and a soldering iron though.
 
bigwillz24 said:
No this will be my very first venture into DIY. I'm good with directions and a soldering iron though.
Cool, the lab is a goldmine of information on audio DIY and the guys there are very helpful and really know their stuff.

The project might not be that easy but it's popular and so a very well documented one which is important. I'm sure you'll get those things up and running.

Good luck.
 
I was planning on buying a 1U or 2U rack unit and mounting everything in the box
 
Kevin DeSchwazi said:
Cool, the lab is a goldmine of information on audio DIY and the guys there are very helpful and really know their stuff.

The project might not be that easy but it's popular and so a very well documented one which is important. I'm sure you'll get those things up and running.

Good luck.

Thanks I think I might need it.
 
The 312 is one of the easiest DIY's..very simple circuit and a ton of info over at prodigy..That was my first project and now I have 5 with various opamp and transformer configurations..not to mention the best part..THE SOUND! After I started diy'ing I got rid of all my prosumer stuff (except my wackie 1402 which I use live and as a headphone mixer in the studio).....have fun!!!

Cheers,
Ray
 
Kevin DeSchwazi said:
the input iron is 1:10 Cinemag,

This is not accurate information. As far as I know, API has NEVER used Cinemag input iron in any of their pres, and most of the old iron was more like 1:7 or 1:8 steel core. While you probably will get a decent sound w/ Cinemag, there are a ton of other options out there like Sowter, Lundahl, etc... Jensen and Reichenbach 115K-E transformers have been used by API in the past, and are still available new. They've also used their own input iron, which, I believe was the 2622, but that's no longer available new.

Don't expect to get any use out of the actual PCB itself. The pin outs will be different, you'll have to remove most or all of the existing parts, and it will probably be a pain to mount. Good luck getting the DOA out without overheating it, be careful! In reality, it will probably be way easier to start from scratch on a perf board or fab a new board.

You'll need to tie the secondaries of the output tranny in serial, and this transformer won't give you the 3rd set of outputs for a meter, but, who cares anyways, use your DAW or tape meters.

The power supply is an easy build, but you can buy a Power-One (or any other brand) +/-16V supply and expect good results wth the 312 circuit. You'll have to add some regs or something to get 48VDC if you want phantom. You'll also need a pad if you expect to pump drums or loud GTR's through this thang, but that could easily be added on a DPDT switch or relay. I'd consider adding a polarity switch too.

It's a simple circuit, and a good first project. Good luck...
 
Yeah, you will have to remove the 2520 opamps and the output transformers from that card but everything else you would replace anyway (caps, diodes, resistors)...there is a pcb of the 312 for sale over at prodigy as well as links to various power supply boards. I have never damaged an opamp while removing it (I use a cheap desoldering iron from ratshack that works pretty well)...As for the input iron all of the aforementioned sound great, and a little different. Sowter makes a reproduction of the original API 2622 but I haven't heard it..It is easy to perf board the 312 if you want to go on the cheap...JLM Audio sells unstuffed power supplies that have the bipolar voltages (adjustable) and 48 volt for phantom CHEAP...Don't be deterred and don't be afraid to ask questions...

Cheers,
Ray
 
Cool looks like I'm tracking the PCB boards and the Pots. I see I can get an
9820 API 312 Input type AP2622 from sowter that seems to be a clone of the original @ prodigy pro

Expensive parts but it looks like once I gather them all it will be a smooth project.
 
Man you're nuts! Lots easier to buy mine!
I got a seventh circle kit, seems easier than what you are doing right now. Man, I'd freak out.
 
Lot's of folks love the sowters although I can't speak of them since I haven't used them ( I have used Lundahls, Jensens and Cinemags along with some riginal api output iron)...don't sweat the build..take your time..and don't be afraid to ask questions..read the forum over at prodigy pro....lots of folks have built these (myself included) and we will help all we can..I have been scavenging evilbay for parts and actually built 2 racks that hold 4 312 cards each and now I am slowly filling them up...On some I was able to keep my cost at 200$ (not including my time...which is essentially worthless! :)...the 2520's are cool..kinda slow and vintage sounding....if you socket the opamp you can drop John Hardy 990c's (clean!) or Fred Forssell's (also clean but different) opamps in for different flavors although you will need to adjust the power supply (by simply turning the screw on a pot) since 2520's run at +/- 18 volts and the other guys run at +/- 24 (amazing headroom)...keep us updated...

Ray
 
Well I've ordered 2 PCB's, most of the parts from the API 312 Parts list. Well the semiconducters, resisters, and capacitors at least.

I am curious as to whether there are switches I can buy that have buttons you can push with l.e.d.'s that light up indicating on/off. I think that will look cool. :D

Also the output transformer I bought doesn't have the same color code as the ones on the PCB's I bought. I think that will be a problem for me. I don't know anything about testing that kind of thing.
 
The cards you bought already have the api output transformers on them..I hope you didn't order more ?...lighted switches would be cool but keep it simple for your first build :)...let me know when you start stuffing..

Ray
 
No I'm talking about the transformers from the cards. :) I'll probably start working on them thursday or friday when I get back to work hopefully most of the parts will be in by then. Probably will order the input transformers then also.

I'll start taking pics then too.
 
My boards have been delayed about 2 weeks... Grr...

While I'm waiting anyone know of a decent chassis to put all this stuff in?
 
I'm still waiting on the 312 boards but I think I've ran into a snag with one of the 2520 opamps. The pins are very short. Is there a way to fix this?

Heres the pics.
 

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They should be fine...you can fit 2 312's in any 1 space chassis if your power transformer will fit..I like to scavenge evilbay for broken or just plain cheap rack gear and use the chassis..sometimes I even get a few parts to use to boot...for my 1176 I bought a daven mono powered mixer...great chassis and I got 4 componex lighted vu meters and a 30 volt center tapped transformer to top it off..for 15$ !...

Ray
 
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