DIRT & GRIME Construction photos

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Man this is hard work!

A quick and dirty update:

This photo I have nearly finished framing the Live Room wall up to the ceiling:
 

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Here's another view:
Any way you put it, that's a big ass wall!


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Ok now, this is kinda cool.
This series of photos shows the mechanical closet and the bathroom. The idea here is to frame the ceiling here at the 10' level and use that space ABOVE that... that plenum... for the air exchange unit of the HVAC... you'll see when its done... it'll be cool!

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OK. Over here we have... ummm ..... not really sure what's going on here? I ... I'll have to get back to ya on this one.

Some kind of electrician-hand-waving-voodoo crap going on here, I think? I don't know what the hell they're up to?
Looks like some kind of switch or something to me?? Hopefully... it... umm ... it'll turn on some lights.... somewhere. I dunno. Can't be sure.

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I'm kidding!!
Come on... you know I'm kidding!

They actually have very detailed plans and specs for this. The sub-panel will be st here in the "kitchen".

Real, live 703 captured, in captivity, there in the foreground! :cool:

Yeah. I know. Cool huh!? :p
 

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More electrical rough-in
 

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I think we've been adopted. This stray's been hangin' out past couple of nights.

Studio-Kitty?

Hmmm... we'll see.
 

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HEY, thats my cat. The BOC(big orange cat) is his name. The KING of the neiborhood and household. At least he thinks he is, that is untill he gets his ass kicked. Which is at least once a week. Ha. Anyway, looks just like the BOC. Michael, what kind of treatment is going on that BAW(Big ass wall:D )? Or is it just going to be painted?
Man, its going to be soooooooo cool. Carriage house is going to be one classy studio, specially in plum, and purples and that flooring you chose. REAL classy.

Hey, did you ever resolve the stepped ceiling soffit something or other you were talking about last year? And how 'bout the console Michael. I'm REAL interested in your plan for that. Can you tell us what or how you are going to finish it? You know, laminates or whatever. Man, there is some really nice gloss PLUM laminates out there.
But I don't know what your doing, just thought I'd toss that in. Anyway, thanks a mill for the pics.They are helping everyone see all the stuff ya gotta go through to do it right. I admire that Michael. Are you still going to put up the safety lights and stuff? That makes for real pro looks too. Kinda gives you subtle reasurance. Know what I mean? Especially in places that have no windows. Doggone, I have a million questions, but I'll stop for now. I'm even excited for ya. Can't wait to see the gypboard go up. THEN it really starts to look like something. Well, enough for now. Lookin great. Oh, tell us about that plenum thing later. I want to know all about it;)
cheers
fitZ
 
Michael, what kind of treatment is going on that BAW(Big ass wall )?
its... ummm... gonna be... some kinda big-ass wall treatment.
:D
(i'll let you in on it later)

Hey, did you ever resolve the stepped ceiling soffit something or other you were talking about... ?
Yes! From all the knowlegeable sources, it's not a good ide to have a stepped ceiling in a Studio CR.

And how 'bout the console Michael.
I have some photos of some things I'd like to model mine after... I'll post some pics sometime.

Thanks again for your interest.

HEY!!
I'd like to see those autocad drawings you have of jamb details.
PM me and I'll give you an e-mail addy.
 
YOU GOT IT MICHAEL!!

Cool. I'm glad SOMEONE is interested. Seems like no matter what I post here, it seems to slip over everyones head. Or no one is interested, which is beyond me. I thought thats why this forum existed. Go figure. Thats why I haven't bothered to do what I said I was going to do yet. Anyway, yea Michael. This stuff is real. But I thought you already ordered your stuff? Unless your outside jambs arn't in yet. Is that what your referring to? All your others are sliders arn't they?

But thats not all I'm collecting Michael. Hence my interest in your plenum. My purpose is to try and detail all the typical stuff a home studio enthusiast needs for building everything himself. Kinda what Steve is doing, but really Michael, as you know, Autocad is the standard that design professionals use throughout the industry. And after conversing with an acoustician named LW Swist this weekend, I'm even more convinced that this Autocad is the way to go, regardless of here. Because all the manufacturer details are drawn in Autocad, and if you have the program, you simply import their files and punch them into the drawing IN SCALE. Plus, you can zoom in and look at 1/32 or less increments. Like the edges of extrusions meeting a rubber seal, etc. Man, you just can't do it with smartdraw or any of the other programs. BTW, check his designs out. See below. Wow. Thats all I can say. I was so impressed I actually emailed him my resume and asked for a job:rolleyes: Ha! Talk about out of my mind:D But you know what? He emailed me shop drawings for a VERY cool protools console he designed, and acatually asked me if I could detail as good as his vendors do. Of course I could. Even better I told him. I mean, I do Macys flagship stores. Sooooo, we'll see.

The only downside is here and the other forums. They just don't support Autocad. I mean, a conversion to .gif and .jpg is sorta ok. BUT, when you have a large file, or just want to post the whole thing and let others zoom to where they want, its a no no. BUT, what I'll do for you is attatch the files to an email(oops thats what you said:D heheheh! Excuse me.

Hey Michael, whats with the new sense of humor?:p You use to be OH SO PRO!! hahaha! Don't get me wrong. I'm just teasin ya, You know this ole fart. Pokein fun at everything and everybody. GAWD if I didn't I think I'd go nuts. The world is too damn serious enough already. Gotta have some fun and loooooooosen up!! Heeehehehe! I know I probably pissed ya a few times too. I usually do everyone. After all. I'm worse than Steve. I'm not only a grouchy old fart, but a grumpier grouchy ole fart!! Ha!

Ok Michael, I still have to punch the details I think will work for home studio use cause theres a ton of em. You know, ones that will work CHEAP. Ha. In fact. What I am trying to do is detail the damn jambs, head, and thresholds for a variety of situations. Which now that I've seen the principles, IS fairly complex. Hence the details in CAD. This is PRECISION shit. Not your run of the mill wham bam thank ya mam whip it out on your skill saw shit. Kno what I'm sayin? In fact, I'm thinking of offering custom Jamb/door assemblys for home studio builders. Not the scientific STC prooven stop a 747 noise shit. But good enough for your average home studio builder. I don't know. Maybe its not worth the trouble. I dream alot, ya know. But, its a thought. Ok, let me work with this stuff a few days and I'll get it to you, ok? Unless you just want the details from the manufacturers. After all, your an engineer, so, you tell me. In that case, I'll simply send you the links and let you pick them out. I'd post them here but they wouldn't do any one any good cause they are in Autocad. Get my drift?

One other thing Michael. As to the stepped ceiling thing. I gotta say something here that has amazed me for a couple of years. Of all the stuff I've read about acoustics, every single day I look at new Pro acoustic engineered studios that contradict and defy other pro opinion. Man, its absolutely maddening. Like the triple leaf thing. I just saw a BIG budget, pro acoustic engineer designed studio where ALL the walls were triple leaf. And windows. They used 4 friggin panes. And 3 walls. And roofing felt between layers of gypboard. And on and on and on. All the stuff that others say NOT to do. Fuck. It drives me CRAZY. Anyway, forgive my stuff here. Its just unbelievable sometimes. WHO DO YOU BELIEVE? And these guys are getting paid BIG BUCKS? Oh the insanity of it all. Ha! Oh well. Thats the world for ya. You must know a secret though. You just jumped in the water and started swimmin. I like that. It tells me something.

http://www.lpswistdesigns.com/Products12-28.html
fitZ:confused: :D
 
Michael - looking damn good... I can see the amount of attention you're putting into the details... looking closely it seems as not one 2x4 is crooked, which is darn near impossible considering how the wood comes, even on pallets.

Very nice work!
 
Autocad

Rick -

Autocad is an industry standard for architects. Of the many that I've known over the years, they all have, live and breathe it.

But its not cheap, and certainly designed to be used by an engineer. Thats why I use Visio instead, its less costly, and I didn't have to read the manual ever. Probably the same for SmartDraw, a package a lot of folks use here.

I wish I had the ability to use autocad, as then I could have done the layout in 3D, possibly created a solid model for my website, and been able to estimate materials much better.

The problem with Autocad is the learning curve... even though its the best there is.

BTW, I used to sell Autocad for a VAR many, many years ago. That an Ventura Desktop Publishing, those two were my assigned vertical markets. This was right before Autocad 11 came and, and Ventura Publisher ran on "Gem" wedged into windows 3.1 over dos 3.3

Now I'm scarying me.
 
In further reviewing your pictures Michael, I'm curious... are you using nails, or screws, to assemble the complex framing?
 
Michael Jones said:
I think we've been adopted. This stray's been hangin' out past couple of nights.

Studio-Kitty?

Hmmm... we'll see.

Thats the best cats you can have. The ones that just arrive and refuse to leave. Usually they are lost or thrown out, and probably refuse to leave your place because they somehow like it.

The effect is usually cats that are very happy, becuase deep down in their not so very conscious minds, they know they could be much, much worse off.

My parents current cat just showed up and sat outside the dorr and refused to leave, and after one day of this, they just let the thin wet poor cat. What else could they do, right? Also an ex-grilfirends parents have the exact same story, but in a different country. Both cats are among the cutest, happiest cats you are likely to find.

Getting our studio adopted by a big orange cat seems to me to be a Very Good Sign. :)
 
It's not that no one's interested in your posts Rick, Its that you think too fast, hit so many topics and overwhelm us with thoughts and info! ;)

What a GREAT link there at the bottom of your post, BTW.

I wanted to see the details more out of curiosity than anything else. All of my doors are pre-hung, so they have their own jambs, I'll I have to do it hang them and trim 'em out. My main area of concern for doors is how the threshold transitions between the two walls.
But, that's really no biggie. I mean it'll be a "beat-to-fit, paint-to-match, custom-cut-wood-filled-threshold-transistion extraordinaire" anyway!

As far as acoustics go: There'll always be divided camps. That's true in most science/engineering realted topics of study. It's a science, but its not an EXACT science you know!

Autocad rules! I've used it for years and years. It IS the industry standard, but like frederic said, it IS expensive, and beyond the abilities of most non-engineers/architects.

There's a "freeware" version of some kinda s/w that'll turn autocad dwg's into pdf's. I forget what its called.... works really good though!

New Sense of humor:
Hey, if you can't laugh and have fun, what good are you doing anyone?

My ceiling will basically be 2 laminated beams that span the 18'-6" distance from front to back. They're both located eqi-distance from the center of the room out and bear on big ol' jack studs that run all the way to the floor.
It'll rise - 9" - in that 18'-6". Thats the steepest rise I can have and avoid conflict at the structure roof. Then, on 16" centers, 2x4's will come off of the side walls and tie to the lam's. Each one of these will be a different length because the walls are slanted outward.
2x4's will also fill between the 2 lam's.
Insulation above.
Sheetrock below.
Clouds on that.

Because this room is isolated, construction sequencing is difficult for that though. See, the structure's ceiling needs to be insulated and sheetrocked before the CR ceiling can be framed.
Rough-ins for HVAC need to go in that "truss web" first. Electrical needs to leave "drops" for the lighting... things like that.

At any rate... that's my world for now.
Let me know when you get the details ready. I'd still like to see them.
 
frederic said:
In further reviewing your pictures Michael, I'm curious... are you using nails, or screws, to assemble the complex framing?
Both actually. On this latest wall extension I had to block in between the trusses to have some place to nail the ridge cap to extend the wall. As you're well aware, as southern yellow pine ages, it becomes rock hard! Those trusses have been up since March, so they've had some time to age. Makes it hard to drive a nail in - also keep in mind this is 16' high, the only way to reach it is to ladder up on scaffolding. Screwing those in was much easier than nailing them in. The ridge cap was also screwed in. To place and attach the ridge cap, you need to run plumb lines from the edge of the wall up to.... a point in space really, then clamp the ridge cap in place, and check for plumb again. Even though its clamped up there, its still pretty vacarious - using a drill and screws gives you better control than beating it with a hammer to dirve a nail.

Now you've got nice "fresh wood" top and bottom, so too are the stud extensions. Easy to nail into.
Cut the extension, start the nails in the wood on the scaffolding so that they just poke through, hold the stud in place, and drive that first nail hard and true! The rest'll fall into place.

As far as cutting the extensions, you NEED a combination square.
Measure the angle in one direction (this "should" be the roof pitch. Mine's easy, I kept it simple, see, the interior pitch of the truss is 6:12. 12:12 is 45 degrees, so 6:12 is 22-1/2 degrees. Miter saws have a "stop" at 22.5 so its easy and consistant.)
and then measure the angle 90 degrees off of that. Those two angles are the settings for your compound miter saw. Cut that miter. "Zero" out the saw and cut the length - LEAVE IT LONG!
Put the cut stud in place, square and plumb it, then just "shave the square end off untill you get a really nice fit.
If you over cut, and make it too short, just use it for the next one down the line.
 
regebro said:
Thats the best cats you can have. The ones that just arrive and refuse to leave. Usually they are lost or thrown out, and probably refuse to leave your place because they somehow like it.

The effect is usually cats that are very happy, becuase deep down in their not so very conscious minds, they know they could be much, much worse off.

Getting your studio adopted by a big orange cat seems to me to be a Very Good Sign. :)
I kind of think so too.
He/She not sure which, if he's happy there he can hang out if he likes. We'll see how it developes. There's probably some neighborhood kid crying over his lost kitty somewhere though. I'll look for signs.
 
As far as acoustics go: There'll always be divided camps. That's true in most science/engineering realted topics of study. It's a science, but its not an EXACT science you know

G'day to you Michael. Thats wierd. I thought that was the purpose of science. How can science not be exact? Sorta defeats it's credentials don't you think. Really? If thats true, then I've been beating a dead horse.:confused: AND, trusting the very thing that made me trust it in the first place, and now I can't trust even that. I mean, if STC is based on something that is not exact science.......not that it makes any difference.:p I'm not building any thing that demanding anyway. It just infuriates me though when educated professionals back their arguments with "science", only to find out it means nothing. I might as well listen to my gas station attendant. Hmmmm. Don't pay any attention to me. Just an ole UNeducated fart grumbling and scratching his head. Its like my Dad used to say. There were Aeronatical and mechanical engineers in the Navy squadron he was in back during World War 2. My dad was a mechanic on PB-Y's out in the pacific. He was a simple, first class mechanic.
Every time he worked on them, one of the engineers would tell him what he was doing wrong. Now, my dad BUILDS aircraft so he's no fool. But everytime one of these planes would breakdown WHILE flying out hundreds of miles from anything(he was on them), Dad would fix things in flight, to get em home. Only to be chewed out by the engineers when they got back for not following proceedure. Dad used to say, "following proceedure can get ya killed and who has time for it when your about to die." Sort of an ego military class thing which I absolutely dispise. Seen lots of it as a kid. Anyway, he'd stop em dead in their tracks simply by saying, "Where were you when we were about to ditch in the middle of the pacific?" Ha! BTW, his picture is in the Smithsonian. He was on the PBY that discovered the Japanese fleet heading towards Midway. Some of those same engineers became his best friends. In fact, Dad is building the second homebuilt experimental bi-plane for one of them. One of those engineers died in a PBY that ditched. Musta been following proceedure.

Michael, do you know anyone using Solidworks? I just accepted a job, for a small company here and the owner asked me if I used Solidworks. I never have seen it, but for the type of stuff he is doing, I think it would be sorta overkill. But he wants me to install it on my computer and start learning it. The local architects use autocad, so what would they do if I sent them a Solidworks file? Seems like its just an impression thing, but I don't know. Well, I'll try it and see. Always wanted to anyway, so I'll go with the flow. Trouble is, all my librarys for work are in Autocad. Hmmmm. Maybe it will import and convert them or something.

Ok, got to go to an appointment now. Thanks for the enlightenment. I'll get to the detail thing tonight. Lots to do today. Talk to ya later.

Hey frederic, the portions of Autocad that I use are so simple anyone could learn it in a week. Its HOW you use them that is important. Yes, Autocads features are DEEP, but I have yet to meet ANYONE, at least in my field, that even begins to scratch the surface. And as far as expensive, ha, and I hate to admit it, but I just downloaded 2 programs from that new site, which I can't think of the name of at the moment, but it's like Napster for applications. I saw 4 different full Autocad programs, ya might look into it.
Yea, I know I'm a scoundrel.:rolleyes:

Hello regebro, nice to see ya here. Its about time. Your right about the cat thing. Thats the way we got BOC. Came to the door and claimed the household as his:D Say, are you doing any studio "construction" stuff?

Cheers
fitZ
 
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