digital recording on laptops

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I want to do 4 track digital recording for voice on a laptop and dont know where to start. (4 part harmony stuff 3 to 4 minutes long) I did a little on an old 8 track yamaha tape system years ago.

My equipment is Acer travelmate 514T laptop with windows 98 and office 97. I write on finale.

I want to record individual voice tracks one by one, whilst hearing the other tracks (or click track) at the same time, do minor editing and then either burn to cd or send to other writers as a wav or MP3 file over the net. It doesnt have to be super studio quality, just want to get tracks down and distributed for workshops etc.

Im thinking power tracks and an upgraded sound card plus decent mics, but dont really know if that will be all. Can someone give me a fuller picture of what else I'll need or any recommendations
 
try to get the january 2001 issue of sound on sound, there is a long article on this subject.
 
I use a laptop for simple recording (i.e. when i am doing a dj gig at a club and I wan't to record my 1 or 2 hour set).

I have also, in the past, used a laptop to create a few simple dance tracks.

It seemed to do the trick :).

If you decide to go this route, i would suggest to you to use a program like Vegas Audio or CakeWalk 9. They are affordable and they should give you enough leeway to get the job done.

Also, and this is only a suggestion, pick up sound Forge as an editor.

Also, make sure you have enough RAM.

I am sure that there are other people on this BBS that can give you some more (and probably better ;) advice on the question at hand.

You could also try to download some FREE demo versions of some of the programs.

http://www.sonicfoundry.com

http://www.cakewalk.com

http://www.digidesign.com

On the last site i just posted is a free version of ProTools for PC.
It will limit you to just 8 tracks, but.....then again..... it is free..... :D .

I hope this helps you out a bit.

peace

spin
 
SPINSTERWUN said:
On the last site i just posted is a free version of ProTools for PC.

Spin,

I tried to find the free download for Pro Tools on the site. I couldn't find it. Am I missing something?

Zeke
 
Thanks Spin,

This'll give me something to play with until my DAW gets here.

Zeke

p.s. If I can figure out how to make it work. :eek:
 
shepo,

Recording audio on laptops is fun, but there are a few extra concerns.

All you need to record digital audio is, as you mentioned, decent mikes, a sound card, and a multitracking program.

You biggest liability with your laptop is your soundcard as they are usually impossible to upgrade. You are stuck with what you have. If it doesn't sound good you have only a few options for USB or PCMCIA sound devices that sound better.

Check to see if your computer has a microphone or line input. If so, you may be in lcuk. If your sound card has decent analog to digital convertors (D/A) you are off the hook. If you have no inputs or it doesn't sound good, we'll have to talk more about external sound options.

Next step: download a demo of a multitracking program that looks good to you. Make sure you check the system requirements of the program to be sure it will run on your system.

I have had really good results with a program called n-Track. Its demo version is almost completely functional (including saving ability) and it is easy to use. It can also convert your wave files to MP3. It is very full-featured and only costs $40 US to register. Absolutely fantstic value. And the free demo can help you test out your system.

Other programs are good too, I just don't know them as well.

While that is downloading, head on out to the store and get that decent mike, a cable, and an adapter that will fit the input on your computer. The program MIGHT be done downloading when you get back so you can give it a try.

You may have to fuss with setting input levels through your soundcard's "mixer." You generally find them somewhere near Start-Accessories-Multimedia. This is a common reason why recorded audio sounds bad or doesn't work.

Read the documentation that comes with (or is on the website of) your multitracking program and give it a shot. If it works and sounds Ok you are in business! If it doesn't sound good (and you exhaust all troubleshooting options), you'll have to think about how much money you can afford to spend on making it work. There are otions for laptops, but they aren't as nice as desktop hardware and are generally more expensive.

One of the neat things about hard disk recording is that you can edit your individiual wave files as well as your final mixes. A good wave editor will eventually rise up your list of needs. There are lots out there to chose from and most have demos so that you can start getting an idea of what you like.

Laptop recording isn't as flexible or powerful as setting up a desktop system and your options are limited, but...

Having said all that, I'm using a Toshiba Satellite 700Mgz Celeron with 192 Meg of Ram and a 6 Gig HD. I'm using a Tascam US-428 USB mixing control surface with 4 D/A inputs (24 bit) and an Alesis Studio 24 mixer for mike preamps and phantom power. I splurged and bought Cubase VST 5.0r4 for multitracking software. Its not a hot system by any means, but it relliably gives me about 16 audio tracks, decent MIDI tools, lots of DSP (digital signal processing- effects!), and I can put all the important pieces in a back pack and take with me wherever I go. I've even done some MIDI programming and rough mixing on a long plane fllight!

I'm pretty happy with it! ;) I hope yours works out, too.

Take care,
Chris
 
Many thanks for your assistance

My system is a PII 440 mhz with 64 meg of ram

For audio and mixer on board I have an ESS SOLO-1 PCI which elsewhere is referred to as ESS audio drive playback (7850)

and for midi output I can choose between ESFM Synthesis(7850), ESS MPU-401 (7890) or Roland MPU-401

I have three small jacks on the front that appear to be line in, line out and a mic jack as well as a crappy on board mic that currently allows me to record 60 second wav files. There are stereo on board speakers whick are Ok for listening to CD's etc.

I have no idea of the systems analog to digital conversion capability or whether I can play back one track whilst simultaneously recording another.

I'll start downloading tommorrow and see what I can pull out.

Once again many thanks for your help.
 
Laptop recording

Let us know how you got on Shepo - I looked into laptop recording a while back, but the soundcard issue put me off. Putting the inputs to one side, being able to record & play at the same time is vital.
 
I have a Pavilion N5150 Laptop.

On the ProTools site it said there was some issues with some Pavilion computers. Sure enough, it wouldn't run right on my computer. I downloaded the n-track software as per Chris's recommendation.

I don't know what sound card is built in, but I do have a mic input. I'll let you guys know how it goes.

Zeke
 
Hmmm...

The PII 440 will probably give you good results, shepo. A friend of mine uses a P I 200 MMX and still squeezes 10-12 tracks out of it. That starts going down, though, when you add digital effects. DSP eats processor power pretty fast.

Having a full duplex sound card is indeed VERY important. If you decided to get the n-Track demo, there is a "Full Duplex" test in the wave device set up dialouge. That will tell you if you can record and play back at the same time.

There may be some other small, free utilities on the net that will tell you if your soundcard is full duplex- I've seen them- but I can't remember where they are.

Otherwise, trial and error is still a valid way to find out. ;)

If all goes well, you will really appreciate that line input - it is probably stereo. If you record things other than voice, miking the source in stereo really makes them sound good. You'll need an external mixer to use it, though.

Whoops! Back to work... ;)
-Chris Shaeffer
 
Many thanks for your help

Im away, The soundcard will play back in stereo whilst Im recording other tracks. From the demo version I can get about 8 tracks laid down before I get an ocasional delay or stutter in the play back, but this doesnt seem to affect the recorded track.

Anyway, Im off and running and the wife is already threatening to commit me if I spend any more time "singing to that damn laptop"

Once again thanks to everyone...now if I can only figure out how to.......
 
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