deville 410 getting more bottom

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i have a fender deville 410 and know that is open back and have added an aphex aural exciter with big bottom which has helped a little...but the low end that comes is more airy and not that thumpy and chunky (if that makes any sense)

as im not really in the mind set of buying a new amp since the next step i would go would either be a marshall or mesa head....would adding a closed back cabinet to the deville give it a little-and if it still doesnt have enough low end- i already have a cab for the head i want to buy.....does this make sense please give me suggestions

if i go the route of buying a new head- im thinking of a sound like adam jones from tool...im thinking of one of those new marshall mode fours or another marshall- does anybody know the ones adams jones plays? please help me- i play like tool, and perfect circle type stuff- some bush- jsut straight hard rock-thanks guys
 
Last time I checked, that guy from Tool used 3 amps at once. A Marshall for the smooth overdrive, a Mesa for some of that low-end chunck, and a handmade custom German amp for a clean shimmer that runs all the time.

That is the live setup. In the studio he does mostly the same but almost certainly does a few things because he can (EQ, stereo dubs, etc.). But I know he tries to lay only tracks that he can pull-off live.
 
did he use a marshall bass amp - or what model does he use?? and he uses a dual rectifier from mesa?? im gonne be doing just local clubs and stuff- should i keep my deville and just get another combo and a/b box it with another marshall or mesa combo or should get a dedicated head and cab??? please give me some pros and cons to aid me in the decision making process
 
I tell ya what I would do....


Keep the Deville, run it clean. Don't switch it off for the most part, and get a 1x12 Marshall combo amp, tube of course, and you can use it for the distortion parts in your songs. You can have one channel all the way off, or use an A/B box with on/off so you can use both channels of the Marshall. Then deville will give you nice tone behind the Marshall.
 
I don't think the guy from tool uses that much distortion really. Its just sounds like it. Single Rec, Dual Rec, hell, maybe a MarkIV....

..and no, its not a bass amp. But the Bass does do a LOT of things that the guitar would have normally done.
 
kuz im gonna start playing shows and stuff you know- but i just wanna make sure i have enough power-even though ive seend guys play with a deville 410-so keep the 410 and have it on all the time just to give more tone and power when its hooked with a marshall? sounds like a good plan...not sure about solid or tube though- kuz the other guitarist got a marshall one of the mg series i think- are those tube or solid??? thanks
 
MG is solidstate. ModeFour is a joke.



Get an A/B/Y switch with on/offs for both outs (Or you could probably just put somekind of tuner inline that does a bypass.) A JCM900 combo goes for about 5 bills in great condition used.

Your Deville is plenty powerfull, and a 50watt combo is more than enough to put next to it.
 
Yeah I have a 2x12 deville and it is 60 watts!!! that fucker will blow out the windows along with your eardrums, bro!!!
 
i have a 40 watt deluxe and it is way louder than a typical 40 watt amp. i would assmume the 410 is too. from what i've heard messing around with it at guitar center it is pretty loud.
 
I assume you have turned up the Bass knob to get a bit more low end and that still doesn't do it for you.....?

My Super Reverb is a 410 and has more bass than I will ever need. Well, I hope, because it has a lot:D
 
it has bass- but not the bass im looking for its more a a pushing air basy tone--like not chunky or chuggy

sorry if that doesnt make sense.....i think im oing to go for a marshal mg100 to have the for my low end and have my deville for all my tone and stuff
 
Try one of the 7-band EQ pedals, the Danelectro was $29.99 (down from $39.99)at Musician's friend a while back, and works probably as good as any, and has many other uses as well, like boosting or reducing your signal.

Have you changed the tubes? That might help if they have a lot of miles on 'em, especially the power tubes. The stock ones are ok, but there are better ones out there.

You can also get your amp modded by any competent amp tech to add more bottom end. Any amp can be modded to "tune" it to the taste of the owner. Amp manufactures voice the amp to where they think it will please the greatest percentage of the potential buyers to whom they are trying to market. Fender has had a lot of success with the "Fender sound", I would guess the Deville 4x10 is aimed at people who want a Super Reverb type sound, with added flexibility. I have a 4x10 Hot Rod, I know what you mean about the pushing air thing - you can feel it blowing your pants legs while ice-picking your ears, yet can be a little lacking in the hi-bass, low-mids. The EQ knobs don't have a wide range of adjustment....I put 3 switchable mods on mine, I call one a variable "body" or "warmth" knob which adds a fair amount of what I think you are looking for; hi-bass and low-mids. I also have a switch that does a similiar thing, but also cuts (shelves) the highs just a little, which makes the bottom seem bigger. The other is an adaptation of Mesa's "fat switch", I set it up with 3 positions, original, crispy, and extra crispy - it adds mid - hi-mids, making it sound more British. All 3 add a little bit of gain. If you live anywhere close to Cincinnati, bring it over, I'll do it for ya, cheap too...Voicing an amp to me is kind of like buying a new car, and then adjusting the seat to where it fits your legs and is comfortable for you, not accepting someone else's settings...

Unless you are playing a coloseum, the Hot Rod or a Marshall alone is more than loud enough - 2 amps is really too much.
One other alternative is to just use the Marshall 4x12 8 ohm cab with the Fender. The 4 12's in a closed back will have a lot more thump.
 
For that Tool sound, a lot of it that sounds like a low distorted guitar is actually a bass. I know the "chunk" you are refering to.........that who Godsmack-type thing where even the guitar is putting out subsonic frequencies. That is from a Mesa. But a Mesa is going to run you into the 1600-2000 range without even trying. I voted for the Marshall because you can get some of the Tool sound at least. I don't think the MG series is going to give you that "chunk" you are looking for. In fact I don't think any Marshall will do that. They are known for smooth overdrive.

On the other hand.....

If you are refering to the Devilles distortion not giving you that "chunk", then by all means a Marshall will work wonders. Any type of metal distortion pedal will work if you run it into the Deville. But I would say ditch the Deville and get a Marshall if its the actual distortion and not the bass response you are after.
 
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