Delta 1010lt question PLZ HELP ME!!!

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I only ask because I'm buying one wondering what I need with it. It sais I can adjust the XLR inputs for line or mic. So do I still have to use a di box or can I just use a quarter female to XLR male adapter, using no Z transformer?

I'm going to the store soon to buy snakes for the thing and anything else I might need. If you don't understand what I'm asking please ask me about it. I want help!

Thank you
-Hoky
 
It does have a mic preamp (or a couple of them). Not sure if it provides phantom power.
 
That's the thing. I don't want to use those mic pres. I want to use the ones on my Mackie. I want everything to be uniform. I know there is a jumper on the card that allows the XLR cables to acccept line level and disable the pre, but I'm wondering what connection I need to use.

Do I need to change the impedance from the quarter to RCA snake going from the mixer to the XLR in on the card? Or will the impedance be fine if I just use a high quality RCA to XLR connector?
 
Bumpareeno!

Come on! Someone please help me! Time's winding down till I go to the store and I'm tracking a band soon after I get the thing! I need advice!
 
Your question is kind of confusing. Is the signal coming out of your mixer balanced or unbalanced? Are the chords you are using balanced or unbalanced?

The 1010LT has two balanced XLR inputs, inputs 1 and 2. The rest are unbalanced RCA. If you are going unbalanced out of your mackie board, then just go in to one of the unbalanced RCA inputs. No direct boxes or special gadgets or gizmos needed. Unbalanced RCA to Unbalanced RCA. What could be simpler?

If you are going balanced out of your mixer/preamp with balanced cables, then plug it in to either inputs 1 or 2 (the balanced xlr input). Balanced signal to balanced input. No problems there, either.

Now, if you are going balanced out of your preamp/mixer to one of your unbalanced rca inputs (inputs 3-10), then it gets trickier. You probably won't ever even have to do this. But just in case you ever do, you'd need to get two adapters:

* 1 - XLR to 1/4" with an impedence-matching transformer (to go from a balanced signal to unbalanced).

* 1 - 1/4" to RCA (and connect this to your rca input on the LT)

I hope that helps - did the best I could. Your question is kind of vague, though. A little more explanation might help next time.
 
Thank you and I'm sorry...

It's hard to phrase what I want to say, and I'm not too good with words anywhay. I'm going to buy 2 1/4-RCA 8ch snakes for the I/O. The Mackie 1604 I'm using has balance outs(of course, it should for the price I paid). I think I will leave 2ch unused on the input snake and put 1/4trs to XLRs on the first couple of channels into the 2 xlr inputs(being completely sure to pull off the jumper before I put the case back on). Is this making sense? This will work right?

Thanks for your help! :)

-Hoky
 
Re: Thank you and I'm sorry...

I'm going to buy 2 1/4-RCA 8ch snakes for the I/O. The Mackie 1604 I'm using has balance outs(of course, it should for the price I paid).
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I'm not sure if I understand, but if you're going from 1/4" output to RCA, and it's a balanced output with balanced cables, then I wouldn't advise connecting it to an unbalanced RCA input on the LT without an impedence-matching transformer on the way in.
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I think I will leave 2ch unused on the input snake and put 1/4trs to XLRs on the first couple of channels into the 2 xlr inputs(being completely sure to pull off the jumper before I put the case back on). Is this making sense? This will work right?
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Shure will. Is that what you're supposed to do is just pull the jumper completely off? I just transfered mine from the top pins to the bottom pins, but I'm really a musician and not a techie - type.

I still don't know what you're actually going "out" of. Are you going out of each of the channel inserts and then in to your LT, and then another output from your mixer's main outs?

Saying you're "going out of" your mixer is a pretty general statement - there are an awful lot of outputs and combinations of outputs on a mixer.
 
Whoa, let's talk about this for a bit. I'm about to do the same thing, buy a 1010LT, and feed it from both an MD-8 (for past stuff and stuff I don't want to move the computer for), and a CFX-16. When I pull it from the CFX-16, I half-normal the inserts to get individual line outs.

When that happens, the line is unbalanced, yes? I mean, at that point it's just TS, not TRS (gotta pull it out to that first click to half-normal it), so it wouldn't be a problem to run a snake w/ RS 1/4" to RCA cheapie adapters on there, right?

I'm not super-worried about the sound, as this is for live stuff, and the tracked stuff can go in through the balanced inputs. Also, the CFX-16 has some decent preamps, but they're not the fancy VLZ preamps of the 1604...

...so...

...the biggest help I can get from this thread revolves around 1) whether half-normalling these channel inserts will unbalance the signal (great, good for this app), and 2) if it DOESN'T unbalance the signal, then what will things sound like WITHOUT an impedence transformer on each channel. Am I gonna get the faint buzz/zzzz?

Thanks in advance, btw!
 
PS: RS = Radio Shack, but you knew this.

Plus, anybody know if the channel outs on the MD-8 (Yamaha minidisc 8-track) are unbalanced or not? I think they are... (unbalanced INPUTS, at least...)...



Oh. Hold it. Duh.

I'm going to get similar results from the 1010LT as I do from the MD-8 (which is fine), because they both take unbalanced inputs. heh, cool...

Ok, off to order now! (if you have important info on this, PLEASE post so I can cancel it before the 18th, which is when this thing gets to MF).

cool. :D
 
All I know is balanced outputs should go to balanced inputs.

Unbalanced outs need to go to unbalanced ins.

The 1010LT has 2 of the former, and 8 of the latter.

If you want to use the XLR ins but don't want them to be "preamp-ed," then you have to move some of the jumpers around on the card itself.

If you want to bring a balanced signal in to one of the unbalanced inputs, then you should get yourself an adapter that has an impedence-matching transformer. Otherwise, you run the risk of having it sound like doggy doodoo. The transformers are cheap, and no you don't have to waste your money on anything fancy - the cheapos are fine for any level of audio work.

If you should want to go from an unbalanced output to one of the balanced ins, I would first have you check your sanity . . . then I would get a DI box to handle that particular chore.

NOW QUIT OVER-ANALYZING ALL OF THIS AND MAKING IT MORE DIFFICULT THAN IT IS! :) :)
 
Chessrock

I don't know if your supposed to just pull off the jumper. The thing is just shipping today, even, so it's about 2000 miles from my hands(CA to IL via UPS).

The 1/4 connectors will of course be TS because it is going to RCA and TRS would be just plain silly and much more complex. I was just mentioning that I can use BAL outs if I wish. And I will going into the 2 XLRs on the LT. It'd be a waste not to.

And Oh! I can't believe I forgot this one! I'm going out of the Direct Outs on Ch1-8 on the Mackie.

I really hope this clears thing up. I just got done with some things that were really worrying me so I'm thinking a little clearer now and I can talk better(for what it's worth).

Thank you for your help. I cannot wait until this sucker comes in!

-Hoky
 
Where did you order from Kelly? I ordered from Bay View and they are sending me a free SE1000 LD Condensor and a free 16 track version of Samplitude(I had to ask for it, if you read their specials page it says that anyone who asks for it along with their order will get it for free).
 
Yeah, I noticed that MF has it on backorder, and 8th street didn't have a "in stock" thing there, so I think I'm headed to...

BAY VIEW!

:D

Sweet, THANK YOU for posting that, btw!
 
Ok, I can't find it. What's the URL, PokeyNose? Or number?

Thanks again!
 
Wow, that guy was nice. "Mike," I think his name was.

AlChuck, thank you for the link!

HokyPokyNose, thanks for the news! I ordered last night, so mine'll probably get here a couple of days after yours. Email me if you run into any problems or concerns (I don't make it around the boards as much as I used to), I'd love to have a "pre-notice" of any problems we might run into...

Dang, cool. I bet this condensor mic sucks, though. Wonder how much it really costs, to them. Hm...

:D
 
I wouldn't think of it Gidge! I don't like arguing price when they are already getting me quite a deal...
 
Kelly Holdridge said:
Wow, that guy was nice. "Mike," I think his name was.

AlChuck, thank you for the link!

HokyPokyNose, thanks for the news! I ordered last night, so mine'll probably get here a couple of days after yours. Email me if you run into any problems or concerns (I don't make it around the boards as much as I used to), I'd love to have a "pre-notice" of any problems we might run into...

Dang, cool. I bet this condensor mic sucks, though. Wonder how much it really costs, to them. Hm...

:D
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Awesome!

They still havn't sent me an e-mail saying they've sent it so it might be a while. And I'm also quite positive the condensor sucks. But it might not, and I don't have any LDs right now so it will be a welcome addition either way! I'll keep you posted about any problems, but their probably wont be any because it's going into a fresh install of Windows on my new P4.
 
"We will beat any advertised price from any US authorized dealer!".........
 
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