Delta 1010, Mixers, etc...

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Ok, so I've had my Delta1010 for a while now, and still have a few questions about maxing its potential. When I record I am usually doing one track at a time, and using a cheap 2 input 1 output mixer that I allready had.

Now I want to try recording 4 or 5 tracks at a time (drums) and am curious how I do this. All the mixers I look at only have 1 output, which means I can't have each mic on a seperate track. Are there any mixers that come with an output on each track? Whats the best way of going about this?

Thanks a bunch anyone who responds!
 
look for mixers with I/O that means input/output and usually they have them on most of the channels. Pros: I/Os make it easy for you to run each of the channels so you can do drums, guitar, vox, bass and whatnot all at the same time into the 1010. Cons: I/Os are pre fader and pre EQ so your volume control is limited to the gain or input control knob.

Direct Outs are another one.. Pros: direct outs on seperate channels are perfect because they are post fader, post eq. so you have a pretty good control over the sound. Cons: unless you use the busses and aux sends on cheaper mixers...its hard finding them on affordable mixers. the cheapest one I've seen direct outs on is the Behringer UB2442fx...i think thats it under $350. so if you're not a behringer fan.....be ready to put out some money.

Aux sends and Busses now these can be used as direct outs that are post fader and post eq. basic drum setups need 4 or 5 channels....a 4 bus mixer usually has atleast 1 or 2 aux sends on it so there are you 4 or 5 channels that way....not to mention your main outs.

most mixers over 40 bucks usually have stereo main outs.
 
Check out the Yamaha MG12/4. It's got 2 Main outs, 2 group outs, 4 Insert I/Os and a couple of aux sends so you can have up to 10 outputs all told. Pretty good quality too for $200
 
Hi RyanHubris,

I know your asking a question, can I please just ask you a quick question?
I’m thinking of buying the Delta 1010 for my WinXP Pro system but I don’t own a Guitar (Pre amp) nor do I own a mic (pre amp) and I really didn’t want to spend much more then the cost of the 1010 rack unit itself, until latter at least.
Just wondering: what are you using for your pre amps? I mean can’t I get something cheep just so I can get a guitar and Mic line level going into the 1010? I just need a plain and simple toneless level, then I can shape my guitar with the software guitar amps that some of these programs have.
I'm I going about this correctly? I mainly play guitar and sing but I would like to get into syncing keyboard stuff latter on.
I have a Taskam 488 but I want to get away from that and just do all my mixing and effects from my PC since I spend so much time there anyway. Plus I can burn my idea right there.

I’d be happy with the Omni studio but I’m down on the fact it doses not have midi support which I would have to get a separate midi card or some type of USB device.
 
distortedrumble said:
look for mixers with I/O that means input/output and usually they have them on most of the channels. Pros: I/Os make it easy for you to run each of the channels so you can do drums, guitar, vox, bass and whatnot all at the same time into the 1010. Cons: I/Os are pre fader and pre EQ so your volume control is limited to the gain or input control knob.

Direct Outs are another one.. Pros: direct outs on seperate channels are perfect because they are post fader, post eq. so you have a pretty good control over the sound. Cons: unless you use the busses and aux sends on cheaper mixers...its hard finding them on affordable mixers. the cheapest one I've seen direct outs on is the Behringer UB2442fx...i think thats it under $350. so if you're not a behringer fan.....be ready to put out some money.

Aux sends and Busses now these can be used as direct outs that are post fader and post eq. basic drum setups need 4 or 5 channels....a 4 bus mixer usually has atleast 1 or 2 aux sends on it so there are you 4 or 5 channels that way....not to mention your main outs.

most mixers over 40 bucks usually have stereo main outs.
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Thanks for the reply! I'm sure theres a lot of good information in it, but a lot of it went over my head because I'm not familiar with the lingo. If you could define aux sends and busses, I'm sure it would make a lot more sense.
 
an aux send is Auxilary send...this sends your channel signal on your mixer to another processor like a reverb unit. there is also an auxilary return which sends a signal back from the processor into the channel...that way you could hear the reverb from the processor. a buss is basically a channel that you can consolidate other channels into.....4 busses means i could have 1 bus for all the vocals, another for all the guitars, another for bass and another for drums.
 
Ok so I checked out the Yamaha MG12/4, and I'm still confused on if I can run each track out as a seperate 1/4. I wanna be able to have 4 different mics on a drumset, and have them go into the Delta 1010 as 4 different inputs / tracks. Is that possible?
thanks again
 
star streams...do you need 10 inputs? cause if not then go with the audiophile 2496..... that would give you 2 analog inputs, a digital input and a midi input...its usually 149 new but you can find them cheaper on ebay. the analog inputs on the audiophile are line level inputs. as for preamps....theres a few ways to go.....you can do what i have. i bought a behringer UB802 and i have 2 preamps and 2 stereo line level inputs. you can also go with a m-audio dmp3 which is a preamp unit that you would hookup to the 2496... the ub802 is 50-60 bucks and the dmp3 is 99 i think.
 
yes ryan.... the channels that have I/O or just "insert" above the 1/4 jack can run independently from each other into the 1010
 
awesome, so it would be like:



1 i/o -----> delta in 1
2 i/o -----> delta in 2
3 i/o -----> delta in 3
4 i/o -----> delta in 4
 
Hi distortedrumble

The problem for me with the 2496 is that it only has RCA inputs, I really want the Balanced line INS for my Mic mainly. Or can you run an XLR Mic to an RCA and get a balanced signal like you do with a Tip/Ring? "I'm guessing no"
Also, with the 2496 you’re still stuck with no preamp so that’s an issue also.
However, I wonder if you can attach the Omni expansion blackout box to the breakout port or dose that only work with the cable they provide?


By the way, Thanks
 
ok you got me with that one......i dont think you can get a balanced signal going from a mic to the rca slot.....i dont know much about the omni studio so i cant help wiht the expansion blackout box....thats the first I've heard of it
 
Basically the studio has all Balanced/ and Unbalanced Inputs. and like 4 or more outs.
http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=products.main&ID=f16575c4e111de46be330a63c972c865
By the way, Ignor them prices I've found them for more then $100 bucks less on the net.

The studio is killer as far as an all In one but it’s unfortunate that it has no Midi support.

Someone mentioned that if you need Midi capabilities I guess you can buy a Midi card seporate or even USB/midi cards for real cheep, like $50 bucks.
I might just go that route. Anything has to be better then my SoundBlaster Audigy for this kind of stuff. :D


By the way, thanks for the help, and sorry for taking up so much of this thread. I'll use that other thread now.
 
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