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sotho
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any advice for the DBX mini pre ( tube preamp). it is a good preamp?
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chessparov
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You won't find it in a professional studio.
In the "under $100 club", however, the M-Audio Audio Buddy is popular
with non-professional end users and is supposed to be a pretty good home
recording mic pre. It's a two channel "dual" mic pre BTW.
So if you're concerned about sound quality...
What's your budget?
Chris
In the "under $100 club", however, the M-Audio Audio Buddy is popular
with non-professional end users and is supposed to be a pretty good home
recording mic pre. It's a two channel "dual" mic pre BTW.
So if you're concerned about sound quality...
What's your budget?
Chris
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sotho
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i'm in 200-250$ budget.... and i've seen this unit and just wanna heard about it if it's a great preamp... i've also looking to the behringer T1953... Heard something about this unit?
Tom Cram
New member
well...
>You won't find it in a professional studio.<
Actually you might, but probably not for its originally intended use
However, since this is a Home Recording forum; it makes a really good bass D.I. It is also better than some of the pre-amps built into sound cards, but I... Uh... Ummm... Have other pre-amps I would reach for first for critical tracks.
Tom Cram
dbx Senior Technical Support
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"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it."
-Thomas Jefferson-
>You won't find it in a professional studio.<
Actually you might, but probably not for its originally intended use
However, since this is a Home Recording forum; it makes a really good bass D.I. It is also better than some of the pre-amps built into sound cards, but I... Uh... Ummm... Have other pre-amps I would reach for first for critical tracks.Tom Cram
dbx Senior Technical Support
(801) 568-7530
tcram@dbxpro.com
"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it."
-Thomas Jefferson-
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chessparov
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Good point Tom!
Should have thought of that.
sotho, general wisdom is to stay away from Behringer products
due to quality control issues and the poor customer service.
For under $250 the Studio Projects VTB-1 is a "pro" mic pre
IMHO. Their website is www.studioprojectsusa.com for more info.
(yes I have one!)
If you "have" to have a dual channel model, either the M-Audio DMP3 or the Aphex 107 (discontinued) are nice project studio
pre's, although a step down from the single channel VTB-1.
Chris
P.S. I have a pristine Aphex 107 for sale at ebay right now,
the starting bid amount is $160.
Should have thought of that.
sotho, general wisdom is to stay away from Behringer products
due to quality control issues and the poor customer service.
For under $250 the Studio Projects VTB-1 is a "pro" mic pre
IMHO. Their website is www.studioprojectsusa.com for more info.
(yes I have one!)
If you "have" to have a dual channel model, either the M-Audio DMP3 or the Aphex 107 (discontinued) are nice project studio
pre's, although a step down from the single channel VTB-1.
Chris
P.S. I have a pristine Aphex 107 for sale at ebay right now,
the starting bid amount is $160.
Herm
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Symetrix 302 dual ch preamp, Clean sound, Very well built Phantom, phase rev,
and 15db pad. Sounds great. Made in USA Have been in buisness several years.
About 260.00 At guitar center
and 15db pad. Sounds great. Made in USA Have been in buisness several years.
About 260.00 At guitar center
FZfile
New member
Sotho, I own one and an ART mp.....
The DBX was the first pre I got the wasn't in a mixer and I didn't think it sounded bad ....as long as you didn't need much gain.
There really is not much "warming up" on the DBX as far as pushing the input gain to drive the tube.
I dont even think it is a real tube circut anyway....
But then I got an ART tube MP bundled with the V93 mic and even though they are both cheap pre's...the MP blows the DBX away.
It just sounds better.
Still not the greatest thing for mics but way smoother than the DBX and almost "warming".
As a DI the ART is REALLY nice. Even on guitar. It rocks for bass.
If you dont want to spend much go with the ART.
You could probably pick up one of the dual MP's used for under 200 although for that money you might be better off going with one of the suggestions that some of the others have made.
I think most of them have a lot more experience than me.
my 2cents
-mike
The DBX was the first pre I got the wasn't in a mixer and I didn't think it sounded bad ....as long as you didn't need much gain.
There really is not much "warming up" on the DBX as far as pushing the input gain to drive the tube.
I dont even think it is a real tube circut anyway....
But then I got an ART tube MP bundled with the V93 mic and even though they are both cheap pre's...the MP blows the DBX away.
It just sounds better.
Still not the greatest thing for mics but way smoother than the DBX and almost "warming".
As a DI the ART is REALLY nice. Even on guitar. It rocks for bass.
If you dont want to spend much go with the ART.
You could probably pick up one of the dual MP's used for under 200 although for that money you might be better off going with one of the suggestions that some of the others have made.
I think most of them have a lot more experience than me.
my 2cents
-mike
Tom Cram
New member
Bwahahahahaha!
That has got to be the funniest thing I have ever read.
Tom Cram
dbx Senior Technical Support
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tcram@dbxpro.com
"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it."
-Thomas Jefferson-
That has got to be the funniest thing I have ever read.
Tom Cram
dbx Senior Technical Support
(801) 568-7530
tcram@dbxpro.com
"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it."
-Thomas Jefferson-
Tom Cram
New member
Welp,
Just checking back to see if it's still funny...
...Yep, still funny.
Tom Cram
dbx Senior Technical Support
(801) 568-7530
tcram@dbxpro.com
"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it."
-Thomas Jefferson-
Just checking back to see if it's still funny...
...Yep, still funny.
Tom Cram
dbx Senior Technical Support
(801) 568-7530
tcram@dbxpro.com
"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it."
-Thomas Jefferson-
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chessparov
New member
I've noticed that some of the "low end" mic pre's actually sound
pretty good with certain microphones, whether it's due to better
"loading" or whatever. My issue with starved plate tube designs,
other than the VTB-1, was that the amount of "tube-like" sound
was increased along with the gain which is too committal in my
book for general usage. Other than the VTB-1, the only other
starved plate design I like so far is the Aphex 107 because the
degree of it is so mild.
Chris
pretty good with certain microphones, whether it's due to better
"loading" or whatever. My issue with starved plate tube designs,
other than the VTB-1, was that the amount of "tube-like" sound
was increased along with the gain which is too committal in my
book for general usage. Other than the VTB-1, the only other
starved plate design I like so far is the Aphex 107 because the
degree of it is so mild.
Chris
darrin_h2000
Banned
Yeah Tom; All of the reviews of the dbx tube stuff Ive read in the past year have been negitive, from the Comps. to the Pres.
I do like how they look like the avolon stuff, but the sound is what matters.
When is dbx coming out with something better, all of my old Dbx stuff is good stuff.
I do like how they look like the avolon stuff, but the sound is what matters.
When is dbx coming out with something better, all of my old Dbx stuff is good stuff.
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fenix
New member
you guys are just too scared (or you can't afford it) to buy the expensive dbx stuff!
oh and tom, I laughed at the MP is better than the dbx thing too!
oh and tom, I laughed at the MP is better than the dbx thing too!
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sotho
New member
does the behringer T1953 can do the job?? it is a good preamp? i have not a big budget and seem to do the job i have seen a couple of positives reviews.... I have see tom the 376 tube preamp but is a bit too expensive for me! But if u can have some discounted price for me it will be ok!!! LOL
Tom Cram
New member
>When is dbx coming out with something better, all of my old Dbx stuff is good stuff.<
You may want to check out something other than the mini-pre and the 266xl. If you're talking Avalon range, you need to be looking at the 786 and the 160SL. You aren't gonna find Prada at Wal-Mart.
Tom Cram
dbx Senior Technical Support
(801) 568-7530
tcram@dbxpro.com
"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it."
-Thomas Jefferson-
You may want to check out something other than the mini-pre and the 266xl. If you're talking Avalon range, you need to be looking at the 786 and the 160SL. You aren't gonna find Prada at Wal-Mart.
Tom Cram
dbx Senior Technical Support
(801) 568-7530
tcram@dbxpro.com
"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it."
-Thomas Jefferson-
FZfile
New member
OK I see how that sounds funny to say.....
.....but consider the differing points of view.
I come from limited experience starting from a portastudio and using my Nanocompressor to boost the signal of my SM57 running through a Fisher Studio pro 15band EQ (one band for two channels).
You guys have a lot of professional or semi professional experience and dont have to use the crappy stuff, but are still generous enough to give us po', ignant folk some learnin'.
Now I am starting to upgrade some things but for me this is a hobby, something that I enjoy, and try and make the best music I can out of what little gear and ability I have.
The DBX was a Christmas gift and I was psyched because i could see what this whole condenser mic thing was all about.
I used it and I know it doesnt sound very good but you work with what you got and when I got the Art...I thought it sounded better.
......maybe the DBX unit I got was ESPECIALLY shitty and the Art was only nominally shiity....
.......anyway, just trying not to get a ribbing without some response.
....YES....and I own a Behringer mixer too.........
-mike
.....but consider the differing points of view.
I come from limited experience starting from a portastudio and using my Nanocompressor to boost the signal of my SM57 running through a Fisher Studio pro 15band EQ (one band for two channels).
You guys have a lot of professional or semi professional experience and dont have to use the crappy stuff, but are still generous enough to give us po', ignant folk some learnin'.
Now I am starting to upgrade some things but for me this is a hobby, something that I enjoy, and try and make the best music I can out of what little gear and ability I have.
The DBX was a Christmas gift and I was psyched because i could see what this whole condenser mic thing was all about.
I used it and I know it doesnt sound very good but you work with what you got and when I got the Art...I thought it sounded better.
......maybe the DBX unit I got was ESPECIALLY shitty and the Art was only nominally shiity....
.......anyway, just trying not to get a ribbing without some response.
....YES....and I own a Behringer mixer too.........
-mike
FZfile
New member
BTW Sotho...
In direct answer to your question........since you did ask.....
....NO.
Get the best pre you can afford and if you can only afford the DBX......get an Audiobuddy.
-mike
In direct answer to your question........since you did ask.....
....NO.
Get the best pre you can afford and if you can only afford the DBX......get an Audiobuddy.
-mike
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chessparov
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FZ, I still mess around with my "first steps" stuff like the
Nanocompressor, etc. It's fun to play with to try to get lo-fi
effects even after you get higher grade equipment.
That's what is great about pop music-sometimes less is more!
Chris
Nanocompressor, etc. It's fun to play with to try to get lo-fi
effects even after you get higher grade equipment.
That's what is great about pop music-sometimes less is more!
Chris
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psmith66
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Look at it this way:
The gear which many of you bash as "crap" or "garbage" is actually miles ahead technically of anything the Beatles used in the early to mid sixties. EMI used primitive gear compared to their rivals.
While those recordings probably aren't sonically great by today's stds, it sort of puts things in context with respect to home/hobbyist recording.
The gear which many of you bash as "crap" or "garbage" is actually miles ahead technically of anything the Beatles used in the early to mid sixties. EMI used primitive gear compared to their rivals.
While those recordings probably aren't sonically great by today's stds, it sort of puts things in context with respect to home/hobbyist recording.
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Dot
New member
The low-end DBX stuff sucks bad.
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sotho
New member
is the art tube MP is better??