Cutaway guitar

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...Just seeking for opinions & knowledge ... :)

Does cut-away model really "cut away" some sound of the guitar ?? Is it very noticeable ??

I tested out a few at GC ..but really didn't notice much different in sounds ...to me anyway ...

Does anyone know much about the Lucero A/E advertised at GC for about $250... I think it's a GC brand (Mitchell) ...

Thanks for the inputs ...

Happy strumming !!
 
Fingers,...
I've never heard a difference between cut aways and non c/a.
I've also never heard Lucero, you're probably better off saving the $250 for something more high end.

Just my $0.02 worth.
 
Thanks EyesLikeFire ...

Yeah ... I figure I'd better save up ..lots of $$$ ... The only problem I can see is ...there'll be better models that I'd want :D

Do you know any classical A/E below the $500 range :D .. (I guess I'll never own a Martin, a Taylor or the likes if I can't control my ..urge :o ) For an amateur, I don't think a guitar should deplete $1000 in your wallet !! :)... I just want a classical to add some spices to the sounds ... not to perform at a concert ...

Anyway, happy strummin' ...
 
Well, a cutaway surely effects the sound, especially in an acoustic instrument. Some guitars sound better without a cutaway, but i just can't play high notes without it... so the best advice is just to go out there, try out as many guitars as you can and choose the one that sounds best at a reasonable price.

I have the Antonio Lorca 1015 model, with a fishman prefix pro blend pickup/preamp system.
I bought it because it's the best thing i could find here.
I'd like to try a godin nylon a/e but they're much more expensive and i needed the classical guitar feel.
I think you should save more money and look for a nice classical guitars. handmade spanish guitars tend to sound good, you know :)
try admira, rodriguez, antonio lorca, saez, etc.
and check the "electric" sound too, the pickup can add or subtract a lot of colour sometimes...

the wood the guitar is made of can make a real difference too.
the construction is important too, some cheap spanish or classical guitars are made from a cheap "sandwich" of woods (the top is more important than the back of the guitar, but the back can effect the sound a lot too).

check this link to see my lorca 1015
http://www.guitarrasmervi.com/english/cuta_en.htm

the same applies to acoustic guitars, not just nylon classical.
the thing is that some cheap guitars may sound better because of other things like the type of wood, pickup, etc.
Some acoustic guitars have a good amplified sound while their "natural sound" is not really "acoustic" (most of the "thin" guitars, like ovation and others).
 
I've heard it said by those with better ears than mine, that a cutaway decreases the bass output of the acoustic's body, reducing boom in recording, especially close mic'ing. I admit I can't hear the difference, but that proves very little. I know I like the cutaway for the high notes, and I wish my Taylor had only depleted me $1000!- Richie
 
Richard Monroe + TamirE - Thanks for the inputs ... I have a friend who owns a Taylor 710 (I think) ...and it costs him around $1500 ... It sounds nice but my wallet wouldn't allow me to even ..touch it !! :) ...Oh, well... may be someday ... I the mean time I'll stick with the midrange or ..."budget" range ...

For some ..insane reasons, I bought a Ibanez cutaway a/e classical a while back ... While it sounds OK when plugged in (with some tweaks on the EQ/Reverb) it lacks "presence" or midrange ...when unplug... Perhaps, a little dull sounding, and certain lack of "boominess"... So I think the cutaway plus the thin body has something to do with that !!

TamirE - The Antonio Lorca 1015 looks nice !! How do you like it ?? I've read somewhere to definitely look for a solid top (cedar, spruce or mahogany) ...and I agree with your assessment about "..cheap "sandwich" of woods... " :D

I own a Seagull 12-string with a solid top, comparing to my previous acoustic... it can "sing" !!!... and a Saagull doesn't deplete my wallet that bad neither !! I haven't been able to check out their classical line yet ...

1. Now for classical guitar, would the ebony/bones pins help improving the sound at all ?? .. or is it only apply to steel string acoustic ...??

2. Good nylon strings recommendation ?? ... I'm using D'Adario Prote ... May be the next time I'll try something different ... I don't know much about the Godin strings ...

Best Regard
 
Well, first of all, when you're looking for a new guitar, you should look for the best thing that you can find for what you're willing to spend on it...
When I bought my acoustic guitar I was really short on cash so i couldn't afford a really expensive one (btw, when i say "acoustic" i usually mean phosphor-bronze strings, "classical" is always nylon and "acoustic nylon" is a guitar with "acoustic" design and nylon strings). I went hunting for deals and ended up buying an ibanez artwood aw-100ce (made in korea). wasn't that expensive. not the best guitar in the world too. but it sure suited my needs. It has a fishman piezo pickup (probably a low priced model...), Grover tuners and a solid engleman spruce top. It sounds pretty good in my opinion, and it was certainly a good purchase.
http://www.ibanez.co.jp/world/acoustic/aw/pages/aw100ce.html

The Antonio Lorca amplified classical cutaway (what a long definition :) ) model 1015 is the best guitar I could find here. I was pretty upset with Admira... I've had an Admira Sevilla for years. A nice classical guitar (not amplified) and unfortunatly i managed to break it's back! I own a Seat Ibiza 95 - the trunk there closes without any problems because it's a hatchback car or whatever you call that. One Day I took my parents' Mitsubishi Charisma and put a lot of things in its trunk, the admira sevilla on top of everything in a lame gig bag... anyway, when I tried closing the trunk of the Charisma I heard a "krrrrraaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhk" and noticed that the metal piece holding the trunks door is actually going into the trunk through my guitar! I was really upset because you could easily see that the back was a cheap sandwich! not exactly what you'd expect from a spanish guitar that's not so cheap too... there are some nice high-end models made by admira but I just didn't bother looking for them because the closest store that has Admira guitars is about an hour away from here (with all the parking issues etc.) and i don't know anyone there and the store that has Lorca guitars is 5 minutes away. Long Story :)
Anyway, just go out there and try some guitars. I bought the Lorca without too much research - i tried it and it was just what i was looking for. The Sevilla sounded totally different and poor next to it. If you're on a budget you might find a guitar on "sale" somewhere for example...

What do you mean about ebony/bone pins? I really didn't think that much about it. I dislike the idea of using bone nuts/decorations just as much as I hate the idea of using real Abalone decorations on guitars. that's just not nice! a good synthetic decoration or guitar part can be just as good and more "human"... I can't really tell you if the Lorca has a bone decoration or nut really, i just don't know... it doesn't look that way. Admira have some designs with bone decorations, try www.admira.es
someone i know recommended this non-cutaway model:
http://www.admira.es/pages/2000_fi.html
too bad it doesn't have the Fishman Prefix Pro Blend... (a system that blends a real mic inside your guitar and a piezo pickup).
and check this model's "Rosewood bridge with bone decoration". yuck!
http://www.admira.es/pages/alicia_e.html

As for nylon strings, I usually use Augustine for some reason... there are a lot of different strings out there, you should try as many as possible before you decide because the strings can really change the sound of your guitar... It also depends on what style you're playing and how the strings sound with your guitar...
With cheap guitars it doesn't really matter. the funniest thing - someone asked me "I have a classical guitar too, why doesn't it sound like yours?" and he's playing an Admira Rosario :)

Anyway, happy guitar hunting :)
 
Cutaway sound

There is a rule of thumb, but there might as well not be one. The best way to get past the issue is to try a bunch of guitars and go with one you like - and don't overanalyze it.

The theory is pretty straightforward. A larger top, or one more lightly braced, will be "looser" and respond to lower frequency signals a little more than a smaller, or more stiffly braced, top. The heavier braced top, or the thick top, or the carved top, is "stiffer." You can get lost in detail on this one, but the basic idea is a stiffer top will find its sympathetic frquency higher on the scale, and tends to bring out the trebles in the signal. A cutaway replaces about three square inches of vibrating surface with a tight structure - the sides. It also affects the balance of the top by creating an area that is structurally stiffer than the same guitar without a cutaway. It will tend to sound a bit brighter.

Having said that, individual guitars can compensate for that in their overall size, in the manner in which they are braced, the materials used, the style of neck / body joint, (some say) the tightness of the annular rings across the top, whether there is a pickguard, and whether you remain in contact with the top of the instrument when you play!

So pick one you like. :cool:
 
Thanks guys !

Some good info indeed ...!!! Now I understand a bit more about acoustic guitar ... Thanks !! :)

Re: bone saddle/pins - It's not for "decorative" :) ... I guess they can add "brightness" & "sustain" to an acoustic (probably it would apply more toward steel string guitars) ... I'm sure it won't make your "el-cheapo" acoustic sound like a Martin/Taylor/Guild or other high-priced guitars but it may bring out your guitar full potential ... Just a thought since I haven't tried it myself ...

:D Learning is so much fun !!!

Peace
 
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