Critique my MacBeth!

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I know this ain't an acting forum, but everyone has a sense of what's good. I just want to practice my reading. Tell me what you all think!


I know I blew in the mic in the middle of the monologue. That's what I get for not using a pop filter.

 
Too much lip smack, sibilance, plosives, and background noise. Good reading skills though. :D

P.S. - needs more kick drum.
 
Yep... too close to the Mic... and have more fun with the accent

"Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow" is the flippant bit... not where the draw belongs. The guy is trying to rationalise his personal failure by saying we all end up dead and forgotten.
 
I know next to nothing about this stuff, but shouldn't there be more dynamics in the delivery? But you know what this really needs... more cowbell.
 
I think the accent is what makes it...

There are Americans like Morgan Freeman and Orson Wells who have great voices, but Russel Crowe nailed "the Gladiator" by having an English non-accent. It was just a ballsy accent-free tone that felt like it was born of the ages, even though it was far removed from whatever any Latin would ever have sounded like.

And doing different accents isn't really that hard.
 
This isn't the place for an acting critique, so I will say only that your technique, i.e. craft, appears to be lacking. Contemporary acting, i.e. the last 50 to 100 years or so -- at least since Stanislavski, is about creating an emotional reality and playing actions. It is not about a mannered recital of lines. It's difficult to tell exactly what you're doing without, at least, video, but it certainly sounds like all your choices are conscious, deliberate and non-motivated. And, if you're wondering, my credentials: BA, MFA and PhD(abd) in theater, 11 years as a professional actor, study with, among others, Herbert Berghoff, Uta Hagen, Tracy Roberts and Roy London and 5 years experience teaching acting professionally in Los Angeles.

I suspect this is not what you want to hear, but I call 'em as I see 'em.
 
Too much lip smack, sibilance, plosives, and background noise. Good reading skills though. :D

P.S. - needs more kick drum.

Yeah, I recorded way too hot. It actually sounded okay on my monitors to me but when I heard it through headphones, it was horrid. Thanks, though!

Yep... too close to the Mic... and have more fun with the accent

"Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow" is the flippant bit... not where the draw belongs. The guy is trying to rationalise his personal failure by saying we all end up dead and forgotten.

Yeah, I could have practiced my Scottish couldn't I? :D I really feel that, towards the very end, Macbeth was really showing his desire (or lack thereof) for life on Earth. I was trying to encompass that. Any ideas on what I should do?

I know next to nothing about this stuff, but shouldn't there be more dynamics in the delivery? But you know what this really needs... more cowbell.

Normally I would have, but I think Macbeth would have sounded rather ghostly at this point, as he was showing a lack of desire for life. (At least I think. :confused:)

Doh! How could I forget the cowbell that should have been ringing vehemently in the background! :D Thanks!

I think the accent is what makes it...

There are Americans like Morgan Freeman and Orson Wells who have great voices, but Russel Crowe nailed "the Gladiator" by having an English non-accent. It was just a ballsy accent-free tone that felt like it was born of the ages, even though it was far removed from whatever any Latin would ever have sounded like.

And doing different accents isn't really that hard.

True. I've never done accents before. I'll practice my Scottish a little. :thumbs up:

This isn't the place for an acting critique, so I will say only that your technique, i.e. craft, appears to be lacking. Contemporary acting, i.e. the last 50 to 100 years or so -- at least since Stanislavski, is about creating an emotional reality and playing actions. It is not about a mannered recital of lines. It's difficult to tell exactly what you're doing without, at least, video, but it certainly sounds like all your choices are conscious, deliberate and non-motivated. And, if you're wondering, my credentials: BA, MFA and PhD(abd) in theater, 11 years as a professional actor, study with, among others, Herbert Berghoff, Uta Hagen, Tracy Roberts and Roy London and 5 years experience teaching acting professionally in Los Angeles.

I suspect this is not what you want to hear, but I call 'em as I see 'em.


Huh? Why would I not want to hear? Keep in mind that I am no actor lol. I'm a Mass Communications and English major. What you say, though was very similar to another comment I received. There should be other acting involved and the person said that, if I were to give a video and have other good actors with me, I could kinda pull it off. This excerpt is one of the most intense few lines in an intense play, and I feel as though I wasn't capturing that by reading them with little dynamics as Chili was saying.
 
Damn. I have a BA in Television Viewing and to me it sounded a little forced and tight like you were trying to get it just right, not like you felt it and it was just flowing out. I listened on headphones and the breathing made it sound uncomfortably like you were whispering in my ear. I give anybody credit for attempting this, I wouldn't know where to begin trying to feel centuries old dialog.
 
Huh? Why would I not want to hear?
Lots of folks who post here and say , "What do you think of my . . . " are looking for compliments rather than critiques. I commend you for your open-mindedness. Honestly, it's a nice change! :)

Keep in mind that I am no actor lol.
I did have that in mind. ;)

I'm a Mass Communications and English major. What you say, though was very similar to another comment I received. There should be other acting involved and the person said that, if I were to give a video and have other good actors with me, I could kinda pull it off.
Well, with all due respect, I don't think you could. Acting is a complex craft that takes considerable training. Talent isn't necessary to be a competent actor, but craft is (I speak from experience -- I wasn't particularly talented, but I had learned the craft and so I was able to work professionally).

This excerpt is one of the most intense few lines in an intense play, and I feel as though I wasn't capturing that by reading them with little dynamics as Chili was saying.
It's not a question of "adding dynamics," but of creating the emotional reality through the actors tools of substitution and back-story, and then defining actions (and I don't mean physical actions) that are sufficiently important to you, and then combine all of that with a coherent subtextual arc. When I used to teach acting, my students once bought me a sweat shirt with the phrase, "The lines mean shit!" (because I said it all the time). No single line has a specific emotional/active meaning that will be the same for every actor, and there is no inherent line-reading that it must be given. If you're really interested in this stuff, I'd recommend an acting class or two, though I'd also recommend that you research, thoroughly, the professor who is teaching it -- again in my experience, very, very few of the professors that I encountered in academe had any understanding of professional technique (one exception was a brilliant former professional actor who turned to teaching after he injured his knees in a motorcycle accident). When I was teaching professionally in LA, all of my beginners who were fresh out of university drama departments didn't have the slightest idea of how all this is done, whereas there are very, very few professional acting teachers and professional actors who don't.
 
Damn. I have a BA in Television Viewing and to me it sounded a little forced and tight like you were trying to get it just right, not like you felt it and it was just flowing out. I listened on headphones and the breathing made it sound uncomfortably like you were whispering in my ear. I give anybody credit for attempting this, I wouldn't know where to begin trying to feel centuries old dialog.

I actually agree with you. :thumbs up: What does TV Viewing encompass? I might have done a little of that through MCOM.

Lots of folks who post here and say , "What do you think of my . . . " are looking for compliments rather than critiques. I commend you for your open-mindedness. Honestly, it's a nice change! :)

I did have that in mind. ;)

Well, with all due respect, I don't think you could. Acting is a complex craft that takes considerable training. Talent isn't necessary to be a competent actor, but craft is (I speak from experience -- I wasn't particularly talented, but I had learned the craft and so I was able to work professionally).

It's not a question of "adding dynamics," but of creating the emotional reality through the actors tools of substitution and back-story, and then defining actions (and I don't mean physical actions) that are sufficiently important to you, and then combine all of that with a coherent subtextual arc. When I used to teach acting, my students once bought me a sweat shirt with the phrase, "The lines mean shit!" (because I said it all the time). No single line has a specific emotional/active meaning that will be the same for every actor, and there is no inherent line-reading that it must be given. If you're really interested in this stuff, I'd recommend an acting class or two, though I'd also recommend that you research, thoroughly, the professor who is teaching it -- again in my experience, very, very few of the professors that I encountered in academe had any understanding of professional technique (one exception was a brilliant former professional actor who turned to teaching after he injured his knees in a motorcycle accident). When I was teaching professionally in LA, all of my beginners who were fresh out of university drama departments didn't have the slightest idea of how all this is done, whereas there are very, very few professional acting teachers and professional actors who don't.


I know whatchya mean about the fishing for compliments. It's a quick way to distinguish the regulars here and the n00bs.

My girlfriend is an actress, actually, and I'm too embarrassed to show this to her, as I know she would probably say something along the lines of what you're saying (I really like the sorta anonymity here). I'll probably have a conversation about this emotional reality; she's been talking to me about this recently and I have no idea wtf she's saying lol.

Thanks again PT!
 
Well, my TV viewing mostly encompasses NFL football, some of the players do a great job acting like they're injured or acting like their poor play was someone else's fault. Maybe we should all have a go at your scene and see if there isn't a Robert DeNiro lurking here somewhere.
 
My girlfriend is an actress, actually, and I'm too embarrassed to show this to her, as I know she would probably say something along the lines of what you're saying (I really like the sorta anonymity here). I'll probably have a conversation about this emotional reality; she's been talking to me about this recently and I have no idea wtf she's saying lol.
If all you want to know is what it means read, Stanislavski's "An Actor Prepares" and Uta Hagen's "Respect for Acting." Note that the creation of an emotional reality is only half the battle. Without actions, it's nothing more than masturbation on stage.

Thanks again PT!
Any old time. :)
 
Without actions it's recitation - or a radio play!
I'd like to have listened, I'm trying to get my head around sibilance and incidental/unintended mouth noise in general. The link leads to an error message.
 
I took it down as I figured all the newer comments would say the same thing, but I'll gladly put it up if ya'll want. I had actually intended it to be radio play. :D
 
It's not a question of "adding dynamics," but of creating the emotional reality through the actors tools of substitution and back-story, and then defining actions (and I don't mean physical actions) that are sufficiently important to you, and then combine all of that with a coherent subtextual arc.

The first third of that jumped out at me because of something I stumbled on recently. I'd tracked the vocal for a song I'm working on about four different times and it just wasn't working. So I created a backstory for the lyric, and suddenly on the fifth go it worked. In other words, for that particular song, if I was playing a character in a particular story with a particular set of situational and emotional circumstances, I could deliver the lines in a way that timing, intonation and emotion couldn't reach on their own. Okay. But I have no idea what you mean by 'defining actions' and 'coherent subtextual arc'. Care to elaborate?
 
The first third of that jumped out at me because of something I stumbled on recently. I'd tracked the vocal for a song I'm working on about four different times and it just wasn't working. So I created a backstory for the lyric, and suddenly on the fifth go it worked. In other words, for that particular song, if I was playing a character in a particular story with a particular set of situational and emotional circumstances, I could deliver the lines in a way that timing, intonation and emotion couldn't reach on their own. Okay. But I have no idea what you mean by 'defining actions' and 'coherent subtextual arc'. Care to elaborate?
Well, I'll try.

An "action" in the acting sense is what you want to get from another person, and it is related to some form of validation of self. When I used to teach my beginners, I'd start them off with what I called "Nothing Scenes." These were dialogue scenes without any context or explanation. For example:

Character 1: "Hello."

Character 2: "Hello."

Character 1: "I'm surprised to see you here today."

Character 2: "Why?"

Character 1: "Never mind . . . It's not important."

To get an idea of how actions work, imagine how the scene would break down if Character 1 was a loan shark and Character 2 owed him money. Character 1's objective for the scene would be to get the money owed. His actions might be, first, to instill fear, then to get Character 2's trust. What if they were lovers who had broken up, and Character 1 wanted to get back together with Character 2? What actions could he use to do this? Get her to laugh? Get her to pity him?

That's a rough explanation of how actors use actions.

As for subtext, it's just what it sounds like -- the meaning below the text. Why does Character 2 say, "never mind"? Is he really saying, "Ask me -- it's important!"? And note, that's an action, too.

As for arcs, all scenes have a beginning, middle and end. In its simplest form, the beginning is trying to get what you want -- your objective, the middle is varying the strategies to get it, and the end is either you got it or you've given up trying.

The process is considerably more complicated than this, but there are limits to what I can put in a single post on a web forum. In my beginners' class, I'd spend the first session just talking about how and why people interact, the nature of human communication, etc., with one or two short exercises designed to get my students to drop their conceptions of what they thought acting was.

This stuff certainly has application for musical theater -- songs are written and performed this way. I really can't say whether any of this applies to other kinds of music.
 
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