Crankier Vocals HSB

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This is mix 4.
The verse vocals are more aggressive as requested.
The drums are dry and louder.
Is this what closer to what folk were after?
Mix 5 - looked at some timing issues and trunkated the intro guitar.
 
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The vocals are much more on pitch on this version. Ending is better - it was slightly cut off before. I'd say this mix is pretty darn good!
 
Cool song. I liked it.

I didn't hear any earlier version. But, to me, there is too much reverb on everything. I think those guitars would sound cool if they were dry and pushed up a bit in the mix.

I'm noticing some small timing issues here and there. There were a few in the intro. A couple more later on.

I think a double tracked lead vocal might sound cool. But I'm a sucker for that.

I also think a slightly faster tempo might be cool too.
 
Yup, sounding all round better to me ray - vocals are better and sit much better with the rest of the mix. Good work you and Tim on the update.
 
MMM,
I'm really getting freaked out about reverb because there's only verb on the solo guitar, a tiny but on the vocal bus and a smidgen on the masterbus.
I don't know where the sound is coming from but I'm not slapping it on. I'll have to triple check.
I listened for timing issues and noted that the solo over the intro (simply a clone of the 1st part of the real guitar solo) didn't quite match the chord change so I trunkated it - I think it sounds more together now.
Dobro,
Why, thank you.
Ido1957,
Thanks Gerry. As mentioned above I shortened the intro guitar so that it matched the timing better - It's my fault because i dropped it in where it hadn't been planned to go. I think the abbreviated version works - what do you reckon?
RobGreen,
Thanks mate. Tim was keen to spend the time to get things right so he did. There's a remix below it presently with a couple of tweaks - I hope I haven't killed V4.
Rami,
Hello!
 
It's better, but I'm thinking it's just the wrong key for that guy's voice. The lower notes are weak and it doesn't seem like he's getting down that low comfortably. Singing low is hard, just like hitting the high notes. I get it. It really makes you appreciate the guys in here that can sing in a full range, like JoeyM and Freudian Slip. Remember him?

As for the mix, it seems okay, but in addition to the vocal performance I'm not crazy about it's processing. The vocals are clear, but they seem small and distant. Reverb is evil!
 
Song sounds good. I like the vocals and their placements. If I had to offer something, I would say that the solo needs to cut through a little more. And maybe bring up the main guitar riff. Sounds like a guitar driven song? Guitar seems to be a little weak. As I am typing the song ended and I am still humming the tune... must be good.
 
Greg,
I remember Freud - he wrote well too. Wonder where he is.
There's very little reverb on anything but I'll render a mix with dry vox to see if that makes a diff. The current verse vocal was dry & unprocessed according to Tim. There's a touch or reverb printed with the chorus vox and a smidge added on top. We'll see how the dry one sounds.
kokain - there was a great band in Oz in the 70 called Company Caine that morphed (deliberately) intoCo. Caine - cool band & name to my teen ears. It is a guitar song - getting the level between them & the vocals is the big issue for me personally. I'll tweak a little. Thanks!
 
RAMI said:
Do you ever NOT think that? You should just put that in your signature. :D
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Ha. :)

Yeah that and "too much reverb" are my go-to comments. What can I say - I liked double tracked vocals and dislike lots of reverb?
 
Great tune. Love that Stones-esque guitar riff bumping along.

The guitar tracks beg for more volume. Having such a bump-along-the-ride-feel to it, you might want to try raising those faders a tiny bit at least.
 

Latest mix taking into account the recent comments.
Apart from the master bus there's only reverb on the guitar solo - just as in the previous mix.
A tiny bit more vocal and a Db or so more guitars.
Any improvement.
 
It's better, but I'm thinking it's just the wrong key for that guy's voice. The lower notes are weak and it doesn't seem like he's getting down that low comfortably. Singing low is hard, just like hitting the high notes. I get it. It really makes you appreciate the guys in here that can sing in a full range, like JoeyM and Freudian Slip. Remember him?
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The previous vox track for the verses was fuller in the lower ranges, and was re taken to address comments suggesting maybe too rich at those frequencies, this verse take was done to pull out the higher elements present in the vocal performance using a different mic/pre amp and different vocal approach. I can sing this an octave lower without my voice breaking into a sweat. Ray's the magician in respect of this track hence I've read and abstained from commenting thus far. Perfectly happy to do another vox take to add another layer to the verses, I already suggested to Ray I'd do so once I got back from working away this week. I've been home an hour but it's penned in for the weekend.

Thanks for all contributions.

Regards

Tim
 
Phrasemaker said:
The previous vox track for the verses was fuller in the lower ranges, and was re taken to address comments suggesting maybe too rich at those frequencies, this verse take was done to pull out the higher elements present in the vocal performance using a different mic/pre amp and different vocal approach. I can sing this an octave lower without my voice breaking into a sweat. Ray's the magician in respect of this track hence I've read and abstained from commenting thus far. Perfectly happy to do another vox take to add another layer to the verses, I already suggested to Ray I'd do so once I got back from working away this week. I've been home an hour but it's penned in for the weekend.

Thanks for all contributions.

Regards

Tim
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Hey dude, that's between you and Ray - who I like and respect immensely, but I hear what I hear. You might be able to sing like all three tenors rolled into one, but for this song, in this key, with that melody, it doesn't seem right to me. Mics and preamps don't address performance issues and more layers of bad vocals isn't the fix IMO.
 
Hey dude, that's between you and Ray - who I like and respect immensely, but I hear what I hear. You might be able to sing like all three tenors rolled into one, but for this song, in this key, with that melody, it doesn't seem right to me. Mics and preamps don't address performance issues and more layers of bad vocals isn't the fix IMO.
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That's cool dude, if it's a bad vocal performance I'll try and address it and see if I can sing it better, I hadn't quite grasped from the post which I've quoted, the bad vocal performance emphasis as it wasn't quite so well and undeniably articulated, it was a tad cryptic. Always better when folk come right out with what's observed from their perspective, so one can take all comments of varying perspectives in the round and get some idea of what and where to concentrate future efforts. I do think you might be getting a little carried away in respect of the three tenors comment, fact; I can sing it an octave lower quite possibly equally badly and not sweat over it. My vocal range however bad begins pretty low and ends kind of mid octave directly above middle C where it culminates in some rather strained degrees of badness. Thank you for your complete and direct honesty in your subsequent post, I am very grateful and appreciative of it.

All the best

Tim
 
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