Copy of a letter to CW support on 9.03

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Freudian Slip

Freudian Slip

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Ok guys help me please, this is really getting me angry. I have prosuite 9.0. Every since I bought it I will go to mix down, start tweaking the faders in the console view. Then I rewind to the beginning and once in a while (not always) I will start to play back thew the song and a channel I have been working with is pegged, or it has reverted to a previous position. and once is a while they will move back to a earlier position but the signal level will stay the same. This requires me to move the fader up and down a couple of times, after that the signal follows the fader.
then I go to play the song again and it starts all over again.


The console automation button is off, I have taken no snap shots, I even save the file when it is were I want it. I can then reopen it and the sliders might still have moved.I am running a 1ghz pentium, 60 gig IBM eied hard drive, 256 meg of ram, a Layla 24/96, and a generic SB card. I am upgraded to CW9.03.

I have got to tell you. this is really getting to me.
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The rest was not in the letter.

We will see if I get a decent response from 12tone. I am hoping that maybe someone here has been through this. If so I would love to hear from you. I am working on a mix with a new monitoring source and this is just pissing me off. Thinking back I think it made me settle for a less than perfect mix on my first couple projects. I thought there was somthing I was doing to trigger this problem, now I am not so sure. I think that there is a problem with the program now.

I don't care if I'm a fool or there is a problem with the program as long as I or the program can be fixed. other wise I am shopping.

Could timing do something like this? It hardly seems possible but I am grasping at straws here.

OK I'm done sorry for the rant.

F.S.
 
FS,

I think this is one of those issues that has been much-discussed in this forum over the last two years. Did you look though it?
 
i have stopped wasting my time trying get this feature to work right and just use the envelopes or change the wav volume. there have been lots of discussions about this none of which i could ever remember or figure out. there is a limit when cakewalk just chokes....and it is necessary to find some kind of work around.....basically i'm happy when it works at all without going to the full system crash ..where are the wavs? ad nauseum
 
kennedy's right

stop using that terrible "console view" and start mixing w/ envelopes.
Vector mixing is where it's at in the new millenium.

(Wow, I hadn't said "millenium" for almost a year now!)

Aaron
http://www.aaroncheney.com
 
Well

Aaron & Kennedy

I do use envelopes quite a bit, but you are saying you use them soley. I will give your technique a shot. Here is my only poblem with it. Say I pull up a song I want to do a remix on. several track have had the remove silence function used on them. At that point Some tracks are broken into several smal sections which can make it hard to use envelopes on.

What is your aproach? Recombine all the segments? Also do you just use the numeric value as your base setting? (I am thinking out loud). See I have always just used the console view for base settings and then envelopes for adjustments throughout the song. If I am reading you right, you run a volume envelope from begining to end of each track adding nodes and adjustments as needed for area adjustments?

Please describe your technique to me if you get a chance. I would be happy to try this, but you may save me some fumbling around.

Thanks

F.S.

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you betcha

excellent points. Another thing I have yet to be able to understand in cake is that i don't seem to be able to take a track and combine it into one wav which would enable me to do the edits we are talking about. It is a real pain when there are multiple "clips"......my general work around is to "record " my mix into a single track in real time which i often do to use the efx that are on my mixtreme card. At this point I am really considering buying a real digital mixer and doing the mixing by "hand" epecially since this process seems to be much less time consuming and intutive. I do know that I have had some success with the cake automation but this has been sporadic and often leads to much more trouble shooting and rerecording and that an easier more reliable solution would be nice.

In terms of base settings I set all the fader to max and edit from there....but of course sometimes it's necessary to do indivual track edits to bring all the tracks in to some reasonable semblence of equality volume wise. This is all done by ear owing to the fact that i am a competent muscian but fairly incompetent mathematician:)
 
To really see the benefits of full vector mixing, you need to get Sonar. As long as you have PA9, you will be compelled to use the "console view" to some extent, for effects and mains routing. That should be the only reason you ever use it, though.
Otherwise, just set your overall volume in the dialouge box on the left of the clips window. Same with pan settings. Then, any time you need to deviate from that, create an envelope for that clip.
Now, there is a problem doing it that way, in that your clip envelopes won't change as the overall volume of that track changes. In other words, if for example you want to lower the overall volume of a track, the enveloped clips will not lower their volumes accordingly. They remain static. Sonar also has fixed this.
I resisted going to Sonar for a long, long time. In fact I just did it last month. I can tell you, it's a quantum leap over PA9 in terms of intuitive mixing/ routing. You should consider it.
The console view is a necessary evil in PA9, but it's really based on an old way of thinking. Strive to use vectors whenever you can. Once you get used to it, you'll never look back.
Aaron
http://www.aaroncheney.com
 
Learn something every day

I thought that the envelopes moved in relation to the base setting. For instance, If have a section of a track say for a solo or just some noise, that it would move in relationship to the base setting? By that I mean if i have a 10db fade up and then 2 messures later I do a 10db fade down..... the fade up and fade down would still happen but they would start at and end at the base setting which could be variable. Now that I think of it you are working on a fixed graph. One stupid thing (in my opinion) is that they use a percentage scale on the clip view and a db scale on the console view???? If there is a way to change that I would like to know. I don't own one piece of hardware with a percentage scale on it??? percentage of what???

I am thinking about sonar. I am really happy with the quality of sound and feaures cakewalk has. I just really have a bad taste in my mouth from this problem. As I said in another forum "I buy a $49.00 game and they are more responsive to fixing problems than this." This problem has been around for a long long time as far as I understand. That burns me. and the fact it is mentioned no where on thier site is a cover up in my opinion. I looked for known problems before I bought. Had I known the faders move for no reason at times I would have looked else where.

Thinking pro tools??????

Thanks for all the good suggestions. I really do mean that.:)

Later F.S.
 
hey man, i feel your pain,i remember being bugged by the same kinda problem in pro audio 9. it has been about 9-months since i messed with 9,but i seem to remember that typing in -1 into the volume box in the track view seemed to be the workaround to make your console view settings stick(automation, fader settings etc.) keith
 
pro tools????

slip,
I would not get into another system in search of the software holy grail....a program that doesn't have problems......just go to the digi bbs and read all the interesting bugs and hardware compatibility issues etc etc....I continue to use cakewalk not because it's a superior product but because I have found a reasonble space where the software doesn't cause enough problems to keep me from making music....also cake has more compatibility with PC based applications...protools tends to be a very fussy player ......so much of digi stuff is really becoming a dinosaur as computers and software overtake hardware solutions
because of moores' law

i'll try sonar when I have the time and trouble to do the wdm deal
and when the price comes down. I'l try Protools when I get enough cash to buy a MAC and still keep up the porsche payments:)
 
Well I got the word

"David,
Disable the Update button in the Console View. Set the levels where
you want them. Rewind and press the SnapShot button to save your
settings. Then, enable the Update button and try it again."

Cakewalk Technical Support
www.cakewalk.com

This is the response. He did leave out the fact you should shut off the update button before you rewind again or you are screwed.
I will give it a shot and see. I feel like I bought a car that I have to turn the headlights off and on after I use the turn signal or it may come on by it's self!! Of course if I leave my head lights off on accident (during all the confussion) I will hit a tree:).

Oh well. I guess unless I have $50k to spend I am stuck.......

Later F.S.
 
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