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I have a soundblaster live 5.1 soundcard, UB 1204 pro mixer, Nanosynth (connected to keyboard) with MIDI and then connected to sound card and audio(from Nanosynth (MIDI)) connected to channels on mixer ,guitar and mic connected to mixer channels.

I want to run everything through the mixer into the sound card back to the mixer and out to amp/stereo speakers. This works except.....when I try to record a new audio track while listening to the other tracks play back, the sound from the MIDI tracks gets recorded on the new track. This mixer does have alt 3/4 outputs. I've tried going out just the main outs to the soundcard and out of the alt 3/4, but that doesn't seem to work. I've tried returning from the sound card to the tape in or just another channel but that doesn't seem to work either.

So to sum it up...How can I listen to the MIDI (which comes from the Nanosynth connected to a channel on the mixer) while recording a new audio track without the MIDI being rerecorded to the new track?

Thanks
Vod
 
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No, That didn't fix the problem.

The only way I can hear the Nanosynth (sound module) is to have the audio outs hooked to speakers . I'm connecting the nanosynth by going through the mixer since the control room outs from the mixer go to my amp/stereo speakers (this way all instruments (recorded tracks) play back through the same speakers), but everytime I play back a recorded MIDI track the MIDI signal gets sent through the mixer again. I need to find a way to be able to listen to the MIDI without it being re-recorded. I hope there is some way to route it through the mixer.
 
not sure what mixer you have but there should be insert points on the back of it...one for each channel. send your soundcard outs to channel 2. Your midi to channel 3. monitor from main outs of the mixer. on the back of the mixer, use the insert as a direct out. now on channel 1 (assuming that is where your mic is plugged), plug a mono 1/4 plug into the insert about half way. You will feel it click once. the other end of that cable should connect to your sound card in. now, all 3 channels can be monitored through the mixers main outs but the only thing being fed to the sound card will be what ever goes into channel 1.

hope this helps...
Jeremy
 
No, The mixer is a Behringer UB1204 pro (no effects). It doesn't have direct outs on the back, just-main outs, alt 3/4 outs and control room outs.

I'm starting to think that I need to connect the audio from the Nanosynth to the amplifier or the sound card directly, but I'm already using the audio ins to the sound card with the mixer and the outs from the mixer to the aux. ins on the amplifier.

Do I need a better soundcard with more connections and scrap the mixer?
 
well...lets see here...set up channels as i stated before....pan channels 2 and 3 hard right. and monitor from the right main output...leave channel 1 centered. this will give you a signal from all 3 channels on the right main out for monitoring and only channel 1 will be on the left channel. Record from your left main out.

eventually...we will figure this out...:)

good luck.
 
This might sound like a "Is it plugged in?" type of question, so bear with me for a sec, I'm just covering all the bases.

I happen to have the UB1204FX-PRO, and it seems like you are probably doing it all right as far as set up goes...

My one question, however, based on the first thing you posted about wanting it all to come through your P/A speakers...

Are you recording your audio tracks with a microphone while playing through the speakers?
 
I put this in the other thread you are in too...
Did you try this,
Connect your Alt 3/4 outs to your soundcard ins. Then your SC outs to any available channels on your mixer. Then press the Alt3/4 button on the channel you want to send to your soundcard. You can monitor the whole mix but only the channel with the Alt 3/4 button pressed will be recorded.
 
livilaNic said:
If that doesn't help try this one. http://www.tweakheadz.com/how_to_hookup_a_mixer.htm

I route it by mono L/R. Playback the left while I record the right. But I think midi is stereo so its not possible. I have a yamaha MG10/2, Not sure if its the same.
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I have things setup as shown on Tweakheadz site, but to be able to hear the MIDI tracks that have already been recorded I have to push the mute alt 3/4 button on the channel that the audio comes into from the Nano synth. If I don't use the Nanosynth and use the MIDI sounds from my sound card I don't have a problem at all. It's just that the sounds on the Nanosynth are so much better and there are 512 as opposed to 128. There must be a way to connect a midi sound module and have it play back through the same speakers as the rest of the mix. Or not?

Vod
 
estring said:
I put this in the other thread you are in too...
Did you try this,
Connect your Alt 3/4 outs to your soundcard ins. Then your SC outs to any available channels on your mixer. Then press the Alt3/4 button on the channel you want to send to your soundcard. You can monitor the whole mix but only the channel with the Alt 3/4 button pressed will be recorded.
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That's the problem. I have to push the alt3/4 button to be able to hear the audio outs from the Nanosynth and that's why it's re-recording. Is there somewhere else i can connect the audio outs from the Nano, so that I can hear them along with the rest of the tracks coming in from the sound card on the tape in?

When I use the sounds from the sound card and skip the Nano everything works fine.
 
Speedy VonTrapp said:
Are you recording your audio tracks with a microphone while playing through the speakers?
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No, The audio tracks are being recorded through one of the channels on the mixer. I have a guitar plugged into a Vamp2 and the Vamp plugged into the miixer. But I will be recording some tracks through a mic.
 
thajeremy said:
well...lets see here...set up channels as i stated before....pan channels 2 and 3 hard right. and monitor from the right main output...leave channel 1 centered. this will give you a signal from all 3 channels on the right main out for monitoring and only channel 1 will be on the left channel. Record from your left main out.

eventually...we will figure this out...:)

good luck.
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Very interesting, and it sounds like it could work, if I had a better sound card.
The only inputs on my sound card are the line in and the mic. The mic looses alot of quality when I record through it.

I'm still hoping there is a way to route the audio outs from the Nanosynth to the mixer , so I can hear it, but it doesn't get re-recorded.
 
vod said:
Very interesting, and it sounds like it could work, if I had a better sound card.
The only inputs on my sound card are the line in and the mic. The mic looses alot of quality when I record through it.

I'm still hoping there is a way to route the audio outs from the Nanosynth to the mixer , so I can hear it, but it doesn't get re-recorded.
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quality of the soundcard shouldnt affect weather or not this would work. It will impact the quality of the recording but thats all.
 
Jeremy,

You da man! After reading your posts more closely I hooked things up almost exactly as you said. Other than the right main out for monitoring... (I didn't have the adapter I needed to change the 1/4" trs to RCA). But I was able to plug the headphones into the mixer and monitor from there. Also I was able to push the 1/4" TS from the guitar/vamp all the way in on channel 1.

The trick was the hard pan right of the playback from the existing tracks, channel 2 (the sound card out) and channel 3 (the audio out from the Nanosynth). With only channel 1 going out to the left, that's all that got recorded, since the main right out wasn't hooked to anything. With help from people like you I'm starting to understand this mixer.

Thanks for all your help!
Vod
 
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After doing more research on this I found out what I was doing wrong.
livilanic suggested tweakheadz setup using the alt3/4 as the out to the computer but it didn't work for me. The reason it didn't work was that I didn't have the right buttons pushed in the "main mix" area above the word "source". If you simply push the "main mix" button this setup works perfectly. Since I was using the alt3/4 I assumed I needed to push the alt3/4 button above the word "source". WRONG. Simply push the "main mix" button. For the new track that you want to record push the "mute alt 3/4" button on the channel that you're recording from and that is all that will get sent to the computer for recording.

Vod
 
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thajeremy said:
well...lets see here...set up channels as i stated before....pan channels 2 and 3 hard right. and monitor from the right main output...leave channel 1 centered. this will give you a signal from all 3 channels on the right main out for monitoring and only channel 1 will be on the left channel. Record from your left main out.

eventually...we will figure this out...:)

good luck.
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YES! YES! YES! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!
Since last Friday when I finally got my recording gear set-up, I have been trying to solve what I thought was the same crosstalk/track bleed problem as vod. I posted about it, piggybacked on a couple of other related threads and couldn't come up with the answer.

thajeremy, when I read your explanation above, I didn't really totally understand it, but I just started playing around with things along that line, and finally, I GOT IT. All I had to do to totally stop the bleed was to pan hard left on the channel that my Audiophile 2496 outs plug into (5/6). I tried also panning hard right on the audio track (in this case mic) I was recording, but it didn't seem to matter -- so I'll leave my mic/instrument channels centered from now on. To playback, I just had to pan back to center on the channel that my Audiophile 2496 outs plug into, and voila, it all sounded great. The only slight drawback is that while recording, the previously recorded tracks are only heard on the left. A small price to though to solve the major problem. Merci beaucoup pour ton aide!!!(thanks a lot for your help).
 
vod said:
After doing more research on this I found out what I was doing wrong.
livilanic suggested tweakheadz setup using the alt3/4 as the out to the computer but it didn't work for me. The reason it didn't work was that I didn't have the right buttons pushed in the "main mix" area above the word "source". If you simply push the "main mix" button this setup works perfectly. Since I was using the alt3/4 I assumed I needed to push the alt3/4 button above the word "source". WRONG. Simply push the "main mix" button. For the new track that you want to record push the "mute alt 3/4" button on the channel that you're recording from and that is all that will get sent to the computer for recording.

Vod
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vod, as I said in my remarks to thajeremy immediately above, his solution worked for me (after days of trying to figure it out). Before I tried his, I tried your "main mix" solution, and it didn't work for me (my mixer is almost identical to yours, but a different brand). Having said this, pressing the main mix button as well as the alt 3/4 button did reduce the bleed (still problematic IMO), but didn't eliminate it. thajeremy's solution works for me. I'm sooo grateful for this thread!
 
vod/thajeremy,

Well, I thought thajeremy's solution was great, but someone in another thread offered advice which is perfect. vod, this may help you. On my small Wharfedale mixer, I go from my Audiophile 2496 soundcard to the mixer as follows...

Audiophile L/R RCA outs > mixer Tape Ins L/R RCA, and making sure the 2-Tr button is pressed.

That's it. I'm a real happy camper. Now I can get-on with recording and experimenting with recording quality issues.

Thanks again.
 
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