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So I am very new to this (and very unprepared.) But I bought a rode nt1a, a vtb1 (because the mic needs phantom power from what I read) . After I purchased everything and I got it I realized I have no way to hook it up to my computer. And to make matters worse I think I need a sound card? I bought 3.5mm 1/8" Stereo Male to 1/4" cord in a rush of panic thinking that would solve the problem but I'm very uncertain. Any advice would be very awesome.
 
Oh dear!
If only you had asked here first!
First the good news...You have bought an excellent microphone!

The pre amp you did not need. What is needed is an Audio Interface and for the money you paid for the pre amp you could have bought the Steinberg UR22, a first class device.

If you can afford it, get one anyway or see if you can exchange the pre. If you can do neither all is not (quite!) lost. For sure you can connect the output of the preamp to a LINE input on a computer but not all PC sound cards have a line input and a mic input will surely overload very badly (so will a line input if you let it!) .

There is however a complication. The pre amp jack out is "balanced" and mono and the PC input is strereo unbalanced. You need a MONO (aka TS) jack plug lead to stereo1/8" jack plug. This should put the mic signal onto both channels.

Another, rather better route is a very cheap interface such as the Behringer UCA 202 (UCA 222) . For $30 or so and used with care these are really quite good, better IMO than the converters in many simple USB mixers.

To use the UCA you will need a TS jack again but this time to 2X RCA "phono" plugs. You will also need a phono lead to output to however you are listening to this setup.

MUCH! To consider.

Where in the world are you?

Dave.
 
Although you should've probably just bought an AI (audio interface) the VTB1 is a very good preamp for the price of it. I have one myself.

I run mine into a M-Audio Audiophile 2496 PCI card. I have another preamp that also runs into the 2496 giving me 2 channels. Ideal for me as I never record more than 2 tracks at a time.

If you want to to spend more money, keep the VTB1 and get an interface that has Line In so you can use the VTB1 as well or, return the VTB1 and get something more in line with what you require. The Tascam US range are pretty good but there are lots to choose from.

If in doubt, always ask questions before you buy. :thumb up:
 
Although you should've probably just bought an AI (audio interface) the VTB1 is a very good preamp for the price of it. I have one myself.

I run mine into a M-Audio Audiophile 2496 PCI card. I have another preamp that also runs into the 2496 giving me 2 channels. Ideal for me as I never record more than 2 tracks at a time.

If you want to to spend more money, keep the VTB1 and get an interface that has Line In so you can use the VTB1 as well or, return the VTB1 and get something more in line with what you require. The Tascam US range are pretty good but there are lots to choose from.

If in doubt, always ask questions before you buy. :thumb up:

So, how do you monitor from your 2496 Mr C?

Dave (I have 3, looking to get another!)
 
RCA out into a Whardedale SYS5000 Amplifier running 2 Wharfedale Atlantic 300's.

I've had mine running around 10 years now. Got another one spare stashed away just in case. :thumbs up:
 
RCA out into a Whardedale SYS5000 Amplifier running 2 Wharfedale Atlantic 300's.

I've had mine running around 10 years now. Got another one spare stashed away just in case. :thumbs up:

Good-o! Can't find out much about that kit (well, not without chancy downloads) but if you have another amp mothballed, get it out once a year and give it a blast to keep the electrolytics sweet. (apologies if I am talking to granny about eggs!) .

Dave.
 
Sorry, I meant I have another M-Audio 2496 stashed away.

I've never seen another SYS5000 Amp anywhere, they're quite rare. It's old, clean, clear and loud as hell though. It has a Tone Defeat button as well which is nice. ;) I also have the matching CD, Tuner and Cassette deck. I rescued it all from a skip when my neighbour was chucking it all out in 2005. The amp needed a bit of re-soldering on some dry solder to get the left channel working and the other bits just needed a tidy up inside. (Kids had put crap in the CD Player and Cassette Deck. Toast, Hairgrip, Stones.....) One of the speakers needed a new tweeter. It was worth the £40 tweeter repair for all this.
 
Sorry, I meant I have another M-Audio 2496 stashed away.

I've never seen another SYS5000 Amp anywhere, they're quite rare. It's old, clean, clear and loud as hell though. It has a Tone Defeat button as well which is nice. ;) I also have the matching CD, Tuner and Cassette deck. I rescued it all from a skip when my neighbour was chucking it all out in 2005. The amp needed a bit of re-soldering on some dry solder to get the left channel working and the other bits just needed a tidy up inside. (Kids had put crap in the CD Player and Cassette Deck. Toast, Hairgrip, Stones.....) One of the speakers needed a new tweeter. It was worth the £40 tweeter repair for all this.

Nice one! You old totter you!
Heh! Do you know I have never bought a microwave oven in my life? (well, not for me and wifey) . My best mate (now sadly dead) got me one he had got from a recycling yard well over 15 years ago . Big old thing it was but we was skint and it worked.
Then another mate I worked with about 8 years ago asked if I wanted his old MW because his missus was having a new kitchen. Yes said I because it was a later, more compact model. Clockwork but still going strong! (I am actually certificated to repair MW ovens.'King dangerous, makes even a 100W valve amp kittenish. 2.5kV and half an amp...easy!)

Dave.
 
Thank you very very much for the help guys. So this is where I am am now. I can not find anywhere online to purchase the M-Audio Audiophile 2496 sound card so I doubt I could go that route. The Behringer UCA 222 is looking nice and easy to use. But I am wondering if I go that route would it be a bottleneck for quality? Also I live in Florida.
 
The Behringer UCA 222 is looking nice and easy to use. But I am wondering if I go that route would it be a bottleneck for quality? Also I live in Florida.

Yes. It's a $30 'quick fix'. Go for a decent USB interface as suggested before.
 
Yes. It's a $30 'quick fix'. Go for a decent USB interface as suggested before.

I agree that a full interface is the best option but "don't knock it til....."?

Look at the 202 logically against an interface that our very own Bobbsy has said is very acceptable. The M-Audio Mtrack.
Now Sweetwater have the M track at $99 and it has mic pres, spookjuice, pots, flashing lights and MIDI FCS! The UCA 222 has none of that, RCA in RCA out at consumer level, that's about it. Does it seem feasible that M-Audio have spent a third of the cost of that AI on the converter stages? I don't think so, my bet is A/D and D/A they are comparable.
There is the issue that the 222 is 16bits only but it is a GOOD 16 bit converter, my two samples returned a noise floor of -85dBFS and I doubt that pre amp is as quiet and I am sure most rooms are not!

So yes, if you can get a UR22 or better but IF you have all the other kit, as the OP does, and you have nothing left in the kitty, the UCA 222 is a pretty good option.

Dave.
 
Thank you very very much for the help guys. So this is where I am am now. I can not find anywhere online to purchase the M-Audio Audiophile 2496 sound card so I doubt I could go that route. The Behringer UCA 222 is looking nice and easy to use. But I am wondering if I go that route would it be a bottleneck for quality? Also I live in Florida.

Yeah the 2496 has been out of production for a while. You can grab them on eBay new and 2nd hand but to be honest, if I were you, I'd return the VTB1 and invest in an USB interface. (I got my set up a long time ago in a galaxy far far away and it suits me) You won't really gain anything by keeping the VTB1 and putting it through an interface as you'll get 1 or 2 preamps anyway and the VTB1 will be wasted.
 
Sorry I am a tad bit confused. I really appreciate all this advice don't get me wrong, but I like the tube sound I can get with the vtb1 and it can also do solid state. I don't really wanna throw that to the wayside. But I would like a no compromise solution. 16 bit sounds good but is there any solution that would give a higher sample rate? Also what cords would I need to plug the vtb1 to the UCA 222. Once again I can not thank you all enough for all your help.
 
Sorry I am a tad bit confused. I really appreciate all this advice don't get me wrong, but I like the tube sound I can get with the vtb1 and it can also do solid state. I don't really wanna throw that to the wayside. But I would like a no compromise solution. 16 bit sounds good but is there any solution that would give a higher sample rate? Also what cords would I need to plug the vtb1 to the UCA 222. Once again I can not thank you all enough for all your help.

Ok, let's take it a step at a time.
You want to keep the valve pre amp but you need a converter and, if we discount the 222 for the moment that means an interface. That's fine because all the interfaces I am aware of these days have "combo" XLR mic inputs that double up as line inputs on Tip-Ring-Sleeve jacks, so output of pre goes into that needing either an XLR female to TRS jack lead or a TRS-TRS lead.

The cheapest "proper" AI that I have read about is the M-Audio M track and our man Bobbsy here gives it a good reccy for the money. Some interfaces have dedicated extra line inputs, I have a Focusrite 8i6 so endowed, not a current model but there is an equivalent. My personal favourite for 2mics/2line ins is the Native Instruments Komplete Audio 6 (fair rolls off the tongue don't it!). Naturally a bit more money but the KA6 is easily the best value (and the best AI IMHO) .

BUT! Maybe you can't/don't want to spend another $100-$200+? So back to the 222.

WTGR I think you have "sample rate" and "word length" confused. The 222 can support sample rates of 44.1 and 48kHz and these are entirely good enough. In fact most "pro" studios rarely go higher.
A 16 bit word length simply limits the over all signal to noise level. A good "prosumer" AI such as the KA6 will give a 24bit noise floor a bit over -100dBFS. The 222 comes in at a modest -85 as I said, but! Nothing else in your recording chain is going to be nearly as quiet! 85dB is WAY better than even the best pro tape machines.

You may have read of higher sampling rates, 96kHz+ giving better quality? Most people "in the trade" say this is bunk, there is certainly no objective evidence for it and in any case, even IF 96k was "more linear" than 44.1 your valve has already forked the signal beyond hope cos that's what the nasty archaic things do, distort! 'S'why folks love 'em!

So, bottom line: Best, get an AI but if you are cash strapped or tapped out the Berry box is pretty good (and you will always get 10 bucks for it on The Bay!).

Dave.
 
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