Compressors and dullness and multi-bands

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See if this makes sense.
I noticed that with a regular comp, sometimes it dulls the signal but you can get some of it back if you shorten the release time to very fast, 5-20 ms, and you can pull some of it out with to slow release. Some of this high end is coming right after the peak, some of it might be ambience.
Putting the comp on in the first place is apt to bring up ambience and background, even if all we were trying to do is control the peaks, and even at slower settings.
Now with a multi-band comp, a little light comes on.
As you compress or limit a mix, again you are bringing up the quieter stuff even if it was only the peaks you were going after.
Some parts of that background might sound better than others, but that is one of the trade offs- it's wetter.
But as the frequency ranges are split up, you now have some control of the decay of each band. (Actually the make-up gain's recovery rate) This turns out to be somewhat of a density control for different parts of the spectrum.
-In the high-mid band it could pull out shrillness energy with normal or slower releases.
-While on the top band an extra fast release changes and fills in the top.

That's about it I guess. Maybe some of the full timers can fix wherever I might have got off track...:)

I had not messed with one of these software plugs much before tonight, (mostly just single band and peak limiting). This low ratio multi-band effect reminds me of something I haven't used or heard in a while- the Valley People 610 (FWIW) Which seems like sort of an odd connection.
Just wanted to share. It's been an interesting night.
:D
Cheers
Wayne
 
I always had the impression that the attack setting was giving or taking the dullness...

aXel
 
I see your point. That could be happening also. Depending on how much transient gets killed, that could be a major part of it.
I used to assume that when someone said a compressor dulled the highs or presence, it was about poor frequence responce. I wasn't thinking attack speed.

What really got me going, was when someone made the connection of transient control with both presence and front/back sound staging. That got my wheels turning in a whole new way. :) (..So, it's not just about brightness and high end...Ding!:D This is one on those areas where you experience various results as you work with this stuff, and begin to form ideas about what's going on -the how and whys.
I was hoping this thread wouldn't just float past without getting some responses, it's such a wide open subject.
(I should have put in the Mix/Master forum.)
Wayne
 
I rushed read your thread and didnt read the second part well as I'm in a rush to work, so here is a rush answer.

When you have freq content that is basicly rich in the mid area then as soon as u compress the more dominant it will become.
This results is that the highs and low disappear.
almost all instruments and vocals have a majority of there freqs in tha area.
 
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