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Strat Man
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Pretty mellow song but definently one of my better recordings and mixes. Can any comments be on both the recording and the quality of the song itself.
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Thanks,
Neill
See:
Thanks,
Neill
studioviols
New member
Vocals, vocals, vocals
You can give us a better quality file, the lowest we expect to have to download is 128.
Ok, at 0:35 when the vocal comes in, I cannot understand the words. Look at your meters. If the meters for the guitars and the bass are peaking above the vocal ... what does that mean.
The vocal is the star, not the guitar. We want to hear you, and understand your words on the first listen please. Don't cheat us, you have a good voice and we want to hear you, please.
When you are not WAY on top of the mix, your vocal, then any and all effects truly hinder the ability of the listener to understand the words.
Ideally we should never have to even contemplate, for a second, the frusteration of having to 'listen for the words', don't make your listener work hard to understand you, because they will not.
It's a good song, you are sincere here, don't cheat yourself by slathering yourself in reverb and mixing yourself encased in the instruments.
DO NOT bring the vocal up, first test the mix by bringing the instruments DOWN, that's called creating headroom.
Then normalize the whole mix and give a listen. Rememeber, the human voice is a very delicate acoustic instrument compared to a line level ELECTRIC instrument.
Your vocal style in this tune is quite breathy, almost of a whispered quality at times, and you are a tenor, you'll never in a bajillion years get away with mixing the instruments up this high around your vocal, and the style doesn't call for it either.
Remix and repost, I want to hear those backup vocals, and remember, backup vocals are GOLDEN !!!
You can give us a better quality file, the lowest we expect to have to download is 128.
Ok, at 0:35 when the vocal comes in, I cannot understand the words. Look at your meters. If the meters for the guitars and the bass are peaking above the vocal ... what does that mean.
The vocal is the star, not the guitar. We want to hear you, and understand your words on the first listen please. Don't cheat us, you have a good voice and we want to hear you, please.
When you are not WAY on top of the mix, your vocal, then any and all effects truly hinder the ability of the listener to understand the words.
Ideally we should never have to even contemplate, for a second, the frusteration of having to 'listen for the words', don't make your listener work hard to understand you, because they will not.
It's a good song, you are sincere here, don't cheat yourself by slathering yourself in reverb and mixing yourself encased in the instruments.
DO NOT bring the vocal up, first test the mix by bringing the instruments DOWN, that's called creating headroom.
Then normalize the whole mix and give a listen. Rememeber, the human voice is a very delicate acoustic instrument compared to a line level ELECTRIC instrument.
Your vocal style in this tune is quite breathy, almost of a whispered quality at times, and you are a tenor, you'll never in a bajillion years get away with mixing the instruments up this high around your vocal, and the style doesn't call for it either.
Remix and repost, I want to hear those backup vocals, and remember, backup vocals are GOLDEN !!!
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Strat Man
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Ok I've done a bit of a remix. Let me know what you think. The instruments are all around -4db and the vox at 0db (-3 for backing). I also equalised it a bit after mixing down to get a bassier master, and then finally hard limited and normalised it.
- Neill
- Neill
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Strat Man
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Unfortunately though we've run out of space on the server so unless someone wants to donate some space to me somewhere to host it will go online tuesday (the original version still works).
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Phyl
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Loved the song, but thought the vocals sounded a little brittle - whatever that means - they sort of grated on my ears after a while, this is an EQ comment only. I really like your voice, it has a raspy, raw, emotional quality that lends an urgency to the song.
At some points in the song I felt the guitar needed something behind it, a more pronounced bass line, some percussion, not sure what was missing, it was most evident in the quiet passages when the vocals weren't there.
Love the jangly acoustic guitar sound, at first I thought there was too much bass (low end) muddying things up but then I switched from my Musicmatch player to Windows Media Player and it sounded much better.
Tons of potential, great song.
At some points in the song I felt the guitar needed something behind it, a more pronounced bass line, some percussion, not sure what was missing, it was most evident in the quiet passages when the vocals weren't there.
Love the jangly acoustic guitar sound, at first I thought there was too much bass (low end) muddying things up but then I switched from my Musicmatch player to Windows Media Player and it sounded much better.
Tons of potential, great song.
studioviols
New member
Looking forward to the new mix
PM me when it's posted please.
PM me when it's posted please.
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mcmd
New member
....nice tune...
I thought the guitar tone could be be richer and more full, - it sounded too close to your vocals...
Great job,
/Dara
I thought the guitar tone could be be richer and more full, - it sounded too close to your vocals...
Great job,
/Dara
erichenryus
New member
on my computer speakers, the bass is overpowering. i'll go check on my monitors.
participant
New member
I dl'ed this last night, so undoubtedly hearing the first mix..
Yes, bass is quite overpowering... a very large bump between 90Hz-125Hz... in fact, your mix is clipping because of it...
Where do you monitor your mixes? IMHOP you're in a room that accentuates highs, gives a lot of live echo sound and traps the bass... too well... and you've overcompensated.
That's the largest issue, so far, in the original mix... until you get some "headroom" back from the bass, everything else will get pushed down...
Try pulling down your bass track about 3.5 db... leave everything else where it was, and see what the balance is like...
Very nice song...
Chad
BTW: Post your remixes at www.nowhereradio.com ... it's free
Yes, bass is quite overpowering... a very large bump between 90Hz-125Hz... in fact, your mix is clipping because of it...
Where do you monitor your mixes? IMHOP you're in a room that accentuates highs, gives a lot of live echo sound and traps the bass... too well... and you've overcompensated.
That's the largest issue, so far, in the original mix... until you get some "headroom" back from the bass, everything else will get pushed down...
Try pulling down your bass track about 3.5 db... leave everything else where it was, and see what the balance is like...
Very nice song...
Chad
BTW: Post your remixes at www.nowhereradio.com ... it's free
FattMusiek
New member
I don't understand why you would convert to LESS than 128, there's just no reason to.
studioviols
New member
Intuition
ewwww, Participant ... doing a little 'out of body' ???
good intuition on what's happening there ...
ewwww, Participant ... doing a little 'out of body' ???
good intuition on what's happening there ...
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Strat Man
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studioviols
New member
stick around dl'ing now
Hey hang in there for a bit, should be finished downloading in about 15 minutes, got something in the pipe, but it's next.
Hey hang in there for a bit, should be finished downloading in about 15 minutes, got something in the pipe, but it's next.
studioviols
New member
Much better, vocal could still be louder : IMHO
160kbps good, solid.
Guitars in beginning are nice and smoothage ...
Still feel I'm challened to hear - and then understand clearly - the words in the vocal in the very beginning. The first hook is good.
We all find it difficult to sing the first line or two, almost all of us warm up and start to sing louder as we continue.
At 1:06 I'm happy, but you are holding back, let this all hang out baby, let that vocal soar with volume. You've got it in you.
You lyrical approach is 'breathy' and whisper like remember. This means you are already 'low in the mix', and a vocal like this should actually ride way out on top of the mix, that is really the great contrast you are looking for, you just don't realize it yet ;-)
Imagine running all the instruments to one output and compressing that output. And then letting the vocal ride in it's own bus, think about the mix control that can give you.
From 1:41 to 1:59, I would bring this guitar up in the mix, there's probably going to be a solo here huh ?
At 2:00 when the vocal comes back in, the guitar does get louder, but it's almost competeing with the vocal.
I feel like you are developing some tension in your voice. Gentle tiny shrugs of the shoulder, flexing the knees very gently, just before taking your preparatory breath to begin singing the phrase. Let is all go, before you sing, let the tension develop over the life of the phrase, rather than at the beginning of the phrase.
In other words, kind of slack jawed to begin with, and let the grimace build ... just think this, and we will hear it.
Keep a glass of water room temperature next to you. Take a tiny sip, hold it in your mouth for as long as you possibly can, breath deeply, flex your nostrils and nasal passages, your sinuses slowly and gently, create a flow of moist air in and out of all that 'singing machinery' before you sing, and breath deeply and slowly, 10 or more breath cycles. This will oxygneate you very well, and prepare you to really sing and hold out those long notes.
And those long notes set you up with an excellent opportunity to back that with a harmony vocal, like at 0:58, and 1:08 ...
Good work, much, much better mix.
Nice song, dark like tan rye bread ...
160kbps good, solid.
Guitars in beginning are nice and smoothage ...
Still feel I'm challened to hear - and then understand clearly - the words in the vocal in the very beginning. The first hook is good.
We all find it difficult to sing the first line or two, almost all of us warm up and start to sing louder as we continue.
At 1:06 I'm happy, but you are holding back, let this all hang out baby, let that vocal soar with volume. You've got it in you.
You lyrical approach is 'breathy' and whisper like remember. This means you are already 'low in the mix', and a vocal like this should actually ride way out on top of the mix, that is really the great contrast you are looking for, you just don't realize it yet ;-)
Imagine running all the instruments to one output and compressing that output. And then letting the vocal ride in it's own bus, think about the mix control that can give you.
From 1:41 to 1:59, I would bring this guitar up in the mix, there's probably going to be a solo here huh ?
At 2:00 when the vocal comes back in, the guitar does get louder, but it's almost competeing with the vocal.
I feel like you are developing some tension in your voice. Gentle tiny shrugs of the shoulder, flexing the knees very gently, just before taking your preparatory breath to begin singing the phrase. Let is all go, before you sing, let the tension develop over the life of the phrase, rather than at the beginning of the phrase.
In other words, kind of slack jawed to begin with, and let the grimace build ... just think this, and we will hear it.
Keep a glass of water room temperature next to you. Take a tiny sip, hold it in your mouth for as long as you possibly can, breath deeply, flex your nostrils and nasal passages, your sinuses slowly and gently, create a flow of moist air in and out of all that 'singing machinery' before you sing, and breath deeply and slowly, 10 or more breath cycles. This will oxygneate you very well, and prepare you to really sing and hold out those long notes.
And those long notes set you up with an excellent opportunity to back that with a harmony vocal, like at 0:58, and 1:08 ...
Good work, much, much better mix.
Nice song, dark like tan rye bread ...
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shackrock
New member
huge bass sound i think, maybe it could be compressed a bit more - just a little more. nice tone though, perfect for the song.
guitars sound thin - but i think it's awesome like that...may i ask how you miced it/them?
some hissssssss in the mix - kinda loud. it cuts out at about 1:50, then comes right back in a few seconds later. my guess is it's from vocals? not sure though....
the vocals are really "breathy" (oops i see somebody else already made that comment! haha.)...but i dig it.
overall it rocks.
guitars sound thin - but i think it's awesome like that...may i ask how you miced it/them?
some hissssssss in the mix - kinda loud. it cuts out at about 1:50, then comes right back in a few seconds later. my guess is it's from vocals? not sure though....
the vocals are really "breathy" (oops i see somebody else already made that comment! haha.)...but i dig it.
overall it rocks.
Toki987
Rock Steady
'says link may be missing when I connect.
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shackrock
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toki - there is another link in the middle of this page..
here it is again though:
http://www.nowhereradio.com/artists/album.php?aid=3256&alid=692
here it is again though:
http://www.nowhereradio.com/artists/album.php?aid=3256&alid=692
Toki987
Rock Steady
thanks 
Toki987
Rock Steady
I listened and it was extremely low end heavy. I hope you dont mind but I loaded it into sound forge and took about 15 db below 70 hz and shelved it for a 1/2 octave. Then I went to 230 and took it down 4 db. Then put it thru a Timeworks compressor with a gentle compression. The voice and guitar came out really nice, there is some kind of percusion that sounds like one conga that came out nicely, and the mud was pretty much gone on the low end with bass still there. Nice tune and performance. I`d like to hear a delay with a rising envelope on those long notes you sustain with your voice and close it back before you start the next line. Nice mindscape
studioviols
New member
Where our skills are ...
Toki, from a lot of your posts, I'm seeing you really excell at analysis and manipulation of the bass frequencies. I think we all have our strengths.
I hope this board in general turns into more than 'homerecording' ... it might turn into 'home-producers', that'll give the big labels the shakes huh ?
Toki, from a lot of your posts, I'm seeing you really excell at analysis and manipulation of the bass frequencies. I think we all have our strengths.
I hope this board in general turns into more than 'homerecording' ... it might turn into 'home-producers', that'll give the big labels the shakes huh ?