clearer vocals

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I'M BLESSED.......
This really should be in the Recording techniques forum but y'all are my FAM!

What is the key thing to do in order to get clearer vocals? Is it to record with very little input gain? And then bring them up as needed in the mix?
I want to get the best from my mic! I know my mic signal should be much better, it is just accpetable at this point. But I want perfection~

And also is it normally wiser to record tracks dry, or is it just based on preference?
Also is there a standard for rap vs singing RnB?
 
Can you give some info on your mic's ect? for me there is no standard for vocal recording, things always change and as for tracking wet or dry, I always track dry then add the flava later.
 
I am using an AT 4050 mic with a Studio Projects Vtb1 V series mic preamp.

I let a friend borrow the mic and preamp for recording an album and it came out sounding perfect. He's back in the joint for a parole violation so I can't contact him.

For the past 2 years, I have only recorded a take or two to collabo on a hook with someone else so it didn't require to much mic arrangements. But now I am about to do a whole song project, by myself including verses, choruses, and vamp etc......
The solo verses does not sound up to par and I am wondering if it is important that I record using a much lower signal. And how can I get a more crisper sound? I will try and post an accapella snippet if I can get it uploaded, that will probably be best.
 
Trumpspade said:
This really should be in the Recording techniques forum but y'all are my FAM!

What is the key thing to do in order to get clearer vocals? Is it to record with very little input gain? And then bring them up as needed in the mix?
I want to get the best from my mic! I know my mic signal should be much better, it is just accpetable at this point. But I want perfection~

And also is it normally wiser to record tracks dry, or is it just based on preference?
Also is there a standard for rap vs singing RnB?

Ok it'll sound as good as your recording chain will let it. However, let me add to you that it is wiser to drop something instead of gaining it. Also you want to keep your signal at around -18 to -12dB while tracking. Also when you laid everything down, good EQ'ing can really help.. remember this:

(MALE VOCALS)
Fullness at 120Hz
Boominess at 200 to 240Hz
Presence at 5KHz
Sibilance at 2.5KHz
Air at 15 KHz

So, a lot of the time you'll notice a lot of fullness & boominess, unless you have a high pitch voice.... Either way, you would want to go to 5khz with a narrow Q & slightly gaining it, which basically gives u....presence... now if you have too much sibilance, than you need to use a somewhat narrow Q at 2.5khz & drop that, or raise it if you need some. at around 200-240hz, you will probably need a narrow Q on that too, but you'll need to sweep the frequencies from 200-240 until it suits the track... you might need a less narrow Q if it's needed... fix y our fullness as needed. You should have somewhat a clear sound.... if you are to compress, you should do that BEFORE you EQ... anyways, you could always run it through an exciter like a BBE sonic maximizer, or something. Also, on your VTB-1, the more you up the 'tube' sound, the more it'll sound warm. If you want crisp clear sound, balance it out. Also you dont want to up the input too much otherwise you'll overload the tube in preamps and cause distortion, unless your something like a guitar player or some shit lol. Your output gain can be increased, just as long as you stay around -18dB when it's in your program.

As for recording dry??
you mean no overdub?
or no reverb...

I'll cover both of them..

First if your talking about effects, when you record it should ALWAYS be dry... this is usually, then you'll add in effects or whatever after you tracked it... The west usually is more dry, and the east is a little more saturated, and London sound is whatever, i forgot lol....

As for if your talking about overdubs, adlibs etc... each of those should be on seperate tracks regardless, unless it's fillin's, but anyways, this depends on preferences...

But yeah upload a snip it and I'll show you a before & after lol.
 
Love the info Mind!

You're a lifesaver...........

Dry meaning no effect at all!

I will try and upload a dry snippet and you can let me know if you think the signal is clear enough by itself. Then I can apply the other features you mentioned. I just wanna make sure I'm on point with the initial part.
 
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yah if you start adding effects while recording, there's no way of undoing it, plus during recording, your performance isn't always the EXACT same... It might be louder 5 minutes ago when you did the same verse etc... Then those effect settings wouldn't match up properly etc... Plus you wouldn't be able to pan effects, and tweak it to the exact perfect way etc...
 
Here is a snippet I just belched out, I have a cold so don't diss me please!

It is recored dry. I got the tube blend @ 2.5 & input gain @ 21 on the preamp. (It was up more to 25 before)
I recorded into a 12 track multitrak recorder, the same one I want to use to record my songs. I have sonar 4 prod, but it's pissing me off right now.
Tell me if you think that is a good foundation to start building vocals with. I have about 4 songs I want to complete in it's entirety with the next couple of months. And you have been a big help so far. I actually printed your settings and posted it up as a reference, thanks again!

www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=420386

As you can see from the empty soundclick, I want to add more and more with other people I have waiting to get down. I need to make sure I have better tracking skills first before I can venture out. Feel me?
 
I can't listen to it now, but with the vtb get rid of the tube blend all together. I have a vtb1 that I used all the time up until getting my new pre for x-mas, for rap vocals a little tube blend is cool but for singing I'd go SS all the way. You mic and pre should get you damn good results, what interface do you have? And how hot are you recording? The vtb1 has some good advice in the manual for gain staging, try it out. For muddy vocals do a slight cut around 200-240hz and hpf around 110hz then phatten it back up with some dubs. Also compress lightly to even things out a bit but don't destroy your dynamic range.
 
Actually the quality of it is pretty good, what you need is to up the output gain a tad bit (that will happen whenever you start mixing it down) so your levels a decent, with good head room

Other than that, it's a great start. I might go get that mic now lol. Damn dogg, I gotta get you on a track haha
 
mentalattica said:
I can't listen to it now, but with the vtb get rid of the tube blend all together. I have a vtb1 that I used all the time up until getting my new pre for x-mas, for rap vocals a little tube blend is cool but for singing I'd go SS all the way. You mic and pre should get you damn good results, what interface do you have? And how hot are you recording? The vtb1 has some good advice in the manual for gain staging, try it out. For muddy vocals do a slight cut around 200-240hz and hpf around 110hz then phatten it back up with some dubs. Also compress lightly to even things out a bit but don't destroy your dynamic range.


Thanks 4 that!
 
Mindset said:
Actually the quality of it is pretty good, what you need is to up the output gain a tad bit, I have to turn my BX8a's up half of the way to hear ya lol.

Other than that, it's a great start. I might go get that mic now lol. Damn dogg, I gotta get you on a track haha

I figured it was a bit low, I thought I had it at about -12dB but it was kind of weak on my monitors too. So I will turn it up a taste. I want to get a certain setting that works and just keep it that way. Sort of like a preset (So to speak).
The mic is cool though dogg! I just need to get in where I fit in and take advantage of a great mic. I want to track alot more people, I mean I have mad vocal talent around me that I also need to take advantage of, but I got to come correct. It makes no sense to have a good mic and your vocals sound like sht. That's embarassing!

Thanks again!

I PM you with other concerns because I don't want to clog up the board. But hopefully it will help anyone else out there too!
 
I did another quick one, it might be a bit too loud. If it is, that is what I am referring to as far as when tracking. I upped the faders a bit and added a lil reverb and chorus. I took the EQ out of my chain, just because I was not using it for the hooks I was doing for people. But I know it is a necessity when I want to complete a whole song.
Where in the chain should I have it?
I swear, this is my lasts post regarding HOW, WHAT, WHERE.....LOL

I am just now getting into doing complete projects so excuse my ignorance.

Prior to this all I did was sing a hook (DRY) and I'll burn it to disc and mail it to whoever I was doing it for. That is why I am so refurbished!

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Na this is helping us all and not just you trump. I need to learn how to record properly also so that when I get set up going I can make it very professional. I got artist already that are SiCk with it. However I dont want to put out garbage. So if u are ignorant then I must be DUMB ....lol

Oh Yuh-Killer Voice my dude
 
Noddy301 said:
Na this is helping us all and not just you trump. I need to learn how to record properly also so that when I get set up going I can make it very professional. I got artist already that are SiCk with it. However I dont want to put out garbage. So if u are ignorant then I must be DUMB ....lol

Oh Yuh-Killer Voice my dude

Thanks for that, Muh dude!!!

:D:D
 
I peeped em Trump, the first one sounded way better IMO. Didn't sound bad at all, the second however I think the effects weren't "there". But nice voice! You are about to have everyone trying to collab now...lol
 
mentalattica said:
I peeped em Trump, the first one sounded way better IMO. Didn't sound bad at all, the second however I think the effects weren't "there". But nice voice! You are about to have everyone trying to collab now...lol

Thanks Ment!

I believe my problem is applying proper effects then. I thought it may have been a signal problem, but I guess it's my inability to apply proper effects. Any suggestions would be appreciated, but in the mean time I will experiment with them. I have a ton of effects on my hardware to chose from, I just need to find one that make it do what it do!

Did someone say Collab? :D
 
The effects on the vocals sounded like you were in the bathroom lol. Try messing with the reverb to make it like a larger room, with a little bit more dry. and then add chorus to it, and also, if you add the vocals to a instrumental, then add delay on that and time it, and it should sound like a million bucks, also VERY small compression, and a tad bit EQing and you could end up selling platinum man
 
oh and also, can you list the effects your using? like what brand, model etc. Some are better than other. I personally like how the Timeworks Compressor works more than the one built on to Sonar 5 for instance.
 
Mindset said:
and a tad bit EQing and you could end up selling platinum man


You got jokes huh?

I would list the effects but they vary. I have some built into the 12 track that I think might not be too useful, they are more like voice tones. Normally what I would do, which I didn't on those tracks, is transfer everything into Sonar or Wavelab and use the effects there and it sounds alot better.
I never got over the learning curve with Sonar or Wavelab so I went to what I was used to which is hardware. But I don't have any hardware effect components, so I think I will get back into Sonar and Wavelab and learn to tweak my vocals in there. It's just time consuming trying to learn all these different programs at once. I haven't even opened Reason in months since I got my MPC! I think I have too much equipment and I never dedicated enough time to learn any one in particular before moving on to the next.
 
the secret of clearer vocals is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your ears!
 
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