CERTAINLY retarded effects question ;)

[Lomas]

I feel like an idiot asking this, but who cares? If I want to learn I have to ask.

I can't figure this out. About reverbs and other effects. Everywhere I read about how they put the reverb to the right or some other place while keeping the vocals in the middle (dry track).

I can't figure out how to do this? I can only get my reverb in straight on the track itself. Not while tracking but after. I use Cubase and the only place I can find to put the effects in is when pressing the "e" symbol on the track and adding it there. This doesn't allow me to use the effect the way I read about them being used.

Could anyone explain how I should do this? It's all plugins 'cause I have no hardware effects yet.

And, Cubase SX 2.

 

[MadAudio]

Everywhere I read about how they put the reverb to the right or some other place while keeping the vocals in the middle (dry track).

I'd like to know where you're reading that, because that is just flat out wrong in most modern mixing techniques. Have you ever heard a song where the reverb was just on one side of the stereo field?

I think you may need to either rephrase the question or do a little more research.

 

[Lomas]

Hmmm...no I read it in articles from theprojectstudiohandbook...I guess I misunderstood but I'm pretty sure I read about moving the effect to one side.

I asked a question about send/insert before and I thought I got what it meant but when I sit there trying to figure it out I can't.

for example "The left-panned reverb, set fairly hot and coming in from opposite the main vocal, helped make a thicker and wider vocal sound, and the slight changes in inflection gave the track more depth."

from http://industryclick.com/magazinear...aseid=9913&magazinearticleid=141955&SiteID=15

The way I put reverb on, there's no way for me to left pan it at all. Unless I left pan the entire vocal track.


Oh, and actually I do know a track where the reverb (or delay?) comes to the left.

Nicolai Dunger - Country Lane

 

[LfO]

I'm unfamiliar with Cubase, but this should be a generally-applicable method. Duplicate the track in question, and put reverb on the new copy of it (100% wet). Pan the dry copy right, and the reverbed copy left. Adjust faders to taste.

Mad is right, though, this is much more of a wierd "special effect" than standard mixing technique.

 

[bennychico11]

also not familiar with your software but....

it sounds to me you're just putting a reverb on the track in question. In other words, you're treating the reverb plugin the same way you treat an EQ/Compressor plugin.

Like I explained in another post you made, time based and dynamic based effects need to be added to a track in two different ways. Dynamic based effects can be treated as inserts. The original audio passes through the effect, which then replaces the original.
Time based plugins should be used on Aux tracks (what we call it in Pro Tools...probably something similar in Cubase, maybe FX track). You need to bus the signal to the Aux track with a send so that a copy goes there and passes through the reverb plugin on that track. So then essentially now you have two tracks. One with the dry source and the other with a copy of the source passing through it and going through the reverb plugin (note, however, if you just duplicate the track and try and make that a reverb track you take up more processing power and more disk space. An aux track helps avoid this).

Now, not only can you pan the original source track, but also the effect track.

It sounds like maybe my post a few days back didn't help you with sends/inserts?
I think the software language barrier is preventing me from helping you futher. I wish I could provide specifics for where to access the certain tracks/plugins in your program

 

[scrubs]

You can (and should) set up your reverb as a "VST Send Effect," which will add stereo reverb to your mono track. You adjust the amount of send on the far right of the pop-up when you click the "e." The send effects are routed back to the master bus.

You can also set up effect channels in some versions of cubase, which will give you more panning options.

 

[TexRoadkill]

I'd like to know where you're reading that, because that is just flat out wrong in most modern mixing techniques. Have you ever heard a song where the reverb was just on one side of the stereo field?

I think you may need to either rephrase the question or do a little more research.

That's actually pretty common.

 

[daav]

Haven't played around witht hat techniqu much, but i would gues you would be mixing in the reverb just a bit taste.

If i understand correctly, you have a dry vocal track right up the middle, hopefully sitting nigcely on top of your mix. You dupe the track as above and mix it back in wet with the reverb, panned left (or stero channel mixed back, left and right), the ear pics this up subtley to make the whole vocal sound bigger, like you are getting some faint echo from a big space.

i dunno, i could see that working.

 

[TexRoadkill]

Usually you pan the dry track to the opposite side. I like doing it more with delays instead of reverb but it's cool either way.

It's a little trick like that is very easy to do on an analog board but most DAW's make it a complete pain in the ass. A lot of that is because VST and DX plugins always have a stereo input so you need to be able to pan your effects send different then the dry track. Otherwise you have to process a copy of the track. The program Reaper is the first DAW program I've used that makes it easy to do stuff like that.

 

[Lomas]

It sounds like maybe my post a few days back didn't help you with sends/inserts?
I think the software language barrier is preventing me from helping you futher. I wish I could provide specifics for where to access the certain tracks/plugins in your program

I think you're correct. But I think I got the picture now. I can see how I could have missed it in cubase if I'm supposed to add an FX track of some sort. I'll look into it more. Thanks!