Cds may soon be obsolete

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Just read this on the Drudge Report

CDs 'could be history in five years'

Compact discs could be history within five years, superseded by a new generation of fingertip-sized memory tabs with no moving parts.

Scientists say each paper-thin device could store more than a gigabyte of information - equivalent to 1,000 high quality images - in one cubic centimetre of space.

Experts have developed the technology by melding together organic and inorganic materials in a unique way.

They say it could be used to produce a single-use memory card that permanently stores data and is faster and easier to operate than a CD.

It's claimed that turning the invention into a commercially viable product might take as little as five years.

The card would not involve any moving parts, such as the laser and motor drive required by compact discs. Its secret is the discovery of a previously unknown property of a commonly-used conductive plastic coating.

US scientists at Princeton University, New Jersey, and computer giants Hewlett-Packard combined the polymer with very thin-film, silicon-based electronics.

The device would be like a standard CD-R (CD-recordable) disc in that writing data onto it makes permanent changes and can only be done once. But it would also resemble a computer memory chip, because it would plug directly into an electronic circuit and have no moving parts.

A report in the journal Nature described how the researchers identified a new property of a polymer called PEDOT.

PEDOT, which is clear and conducts electricity, has been used for years as an anti-static coating on photographic film. Researchers looked at ways of using PEDOT to store digital information. In the new memory card, data in the form of ones and zeroes would be represented by polymer pixels.

When information is recorded, higher voltages at certain points in the circuit grid would "blow" the PEDOT fuses at those points. As a result, data is permanently etched into the device. A blown fuse would from then on be read as a zero, while an unblown one that lets current pass through is read as a one.
 
Don't they use this thing for "electronic" paper and shit already? Isn't there talk of this technology being used as some sort of battery or something? I gotta find where I read about this.


Seems like I read something about a trial run using this on kids' menus/placemats at restuarants to make them light up and shit when the circuit is completed - like "driving" a toy car along a track on the placemat...

Diendolo
 
I wonder ..........

I wonder how the whole home recording studio will be affected...what it will look like....in say 10-15 years from now? From what this article said it may very well be that walking into one...besides the drum and guitar and speakers and chairs....not much else will look familiar.

Actually, I wish somebody would come out with a magazine...something like Electronic Musician....that is written in language that the average joe could understand. Everything is written using abbreviations, acronyms, assumed-prior understanding, etc. I guess this is a trade magazine...you know...pros talking to pros. They certainly aren't talking to me. Hm...I thought it was a consumer magazine. But if I was writing articles for something like that...designed to be read by people like me, I would take some responsibily it my writing to communitcate in such a fashion that people would actually get it. Actually, I'm not too swift...probalbly just me. Cf
 
I actually thought the "no moving parts" would come sooner, back in 1990 I remember talking to a friend about what would take CD's place, and thought the next logical thing would be something with no moving parts, but I didn't think it would take this long... but now when I think about it, I guess thats about right, I'm just glad it won't be the MP3 player.
 
Good......Cds suck so I'll be glad to see something else.
Enough with the 23 year old 16 bit/44.1k sampling rate.
 
Record companies need something new so they can get everybody to rebuy their music collections (again.) That's the only way to make up for the crappy sales figures that piracy is causing :rolleyes:

CD's will still be around in five years. But you are right, the studio will look completely different. I can't wait to have a robot doing the mixing for me. It only makes sense with having robots singing nowadays. The human element must be eliminated from music.
;)
 
<rant on>

Let's not forget the crappy artists releasing lousy recordings. No matter what the technology used to deliver this material, it still sucks. Record companies need to work on finding and developing actual talent... then they might have something to sell.

<rant off>
 
Re: I wonder ..........

Cedar Fever said:
I wonder how the whole home recording studio will be affected...what it will look like....in say 10-15 years from now? From what this article said it may very well be that walking into one...besides the drum and guitar and speakers and chairs....not much else will look familiar.

Actually, I wish somebody would come out with a magazine...something like Electronic Musician....that is written in language that the average joe could understand. Everything is written using abbreviations, acronyms, assumed-prior understanding, etc. I guess this is a trade magazine...you know...pros talking to pros. They certainly aren't talking to me. Hm...I thought it was a consumer magazine. But if I was writing articles for something like that...designed to be read by people like me, I would take some responsibily it my writing to communitcate in such a fashion that people would actually get it. Actually, I'm not too swift...probalbly just me. Cf

+1
 
Lets hope the format is a little bit more stable than a CD. I wanna be able to drop it and listen again :D
 
No big change will happen in five years.

Many years ago I remember reading how CDs would kill cassette tapes. Did they? No.

Then another "killer" format emerged - minidisk, which was expected to mark the end of both cassettes and CDs. Did it happen? No. Minidisk did not replace CDs due limited choice of pre-recorded disks.

Each format has its use, and I think that rumors of the upcoming CD death are little premature.
 
Anybody over 22.

I got a box full of cassettes. Cassette is the 3.5" floppy of the audio world. It's crappy, unreliable, but when you need something cheap and dirty to hold your data, it works great.
 
Dethska said:
Cassette is the 3.5" floppy of the audio world. It's crappy, unreliable
I agree with that part, but not the rest. They're both done. CD-R kicks both their asses. Floppies are also crushed under the heel of Compact Flash/USB drives/etc.

The question is not who has cassettes, but who is too lazy to throw them out.

And I am way over 22.
 
foreverain4 said:
records still are not obsolete...
That's true......but they are the equivalent of, hell....a bunch of bits, and virtually infinite sampling rate. The main reason they still exist is for the small group of extremely picky folks that want to make an issue out of even miniscule sound differences. And I'm one of those BTW.....over 6000 albums and I pay the extra to buy new music on vinyl.

But CDs are clearly surpassed in performance by new technology and, in fact, the new stuff finally achieves the promise of digital by surpassing vinyl..........that should really put the nail in the coffin of CDs and vinyl.
 
How long have DVD's been out? Anybody still watching VHS? I know a guy with Beta.

DVD's may be a contender for that slot as well in less than 5 years. You can put anything on a DVD anymore. Simple and easy, adn getting cheap. I would think anything after that is at least 10-15 years off for average user. Thats my .02

- RichHead
 
webstop said:
No big change will happen in five years.

Many years ago I remember reading how CDs would kill cassette tapes. Did they? No.

Then another "killer" format emerged - minidisk, which was expected to mark the end of both cassettes and CDs. Did it happen? No. Minidisk did not replace CDs due limited choice of pre-recorded disks.

Each format has its use, and I think that rumors of the upcoming CD death are little premature.

Oh my, I don't know the last time I went out and bought a cassette with music on it (infact a workmate of mine plays guitar, I asked for a recording, expecting a CD, he gave me a cassette, it took me 15 minutes of searching at home, opening boxes, till I found something to play it on), iiit's pretty much dead, When I sold audio equipment, when there was the big battle between MD and DCC, I remember it was to take the place of recording on cassette(analog), we all knew it wouldn't take the place of CD's who would pay more for inferior sound? Now I work at a college and all the "kids" are using MP3 players, they're allready using no moving parts.

I wouldn't put my money on things NOT changing, but then again back in 1990 discussing with a friend about what audio players would be like in the future I said something with no moving parts, it's the next logical step, five year seams very doable to me, maybe not to finish-off CD's but be the vast majority.

I guess cassetes aren't dead if your counting "self-help" and books on tape.
 
Cassettes are obviously on the way out, but in many countries of the world they are still playing significant role. Considering all past predictions, cassettes should have been completely dropped many years ago.

My point is, that the mere fact of new better format being developed does not mean immediate death of previous formats. To effectively replace CDs (or DVDs or whatever) this new format has to be commonly accepted, the industry has to be able to offer close to all existing recordings on new media and players in every category and price range. Five years appears to be too short period of time to accomplish this. Most important is that the industry should recognize economic benefits in such a dramatic switch despite expences involved. If not, than this new format will find its niche and will peacefully coexist with CDs, DVDs, MP3s, Minidisks, VHS, USB drives, Tapes, Vinyl etc. etc.

Technical benefits alone won't make this new format successful, economic benefits - may.

I wouldn't be surprised if tomorrow we will hear about another miracle chip, which will be in direct competition with this one. Then we will probably end up witnessing new variation of VHS versus Betamax saga once again.
 
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