can someone post a clip of a good bass sound?

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can anyone post a clip of a good bass sound? bass guitar that is. I can record it properly with DI, but I'm not sure what type of EQ if any I need to use and how much reverb I should add, etc. I know it depends a great deal on the mix, but just a starting point would help.
 
The use of EQ is based as much on the surrounding instruments in the mix as the source. One thing I can say (from my very limited experience) is that I do not use reverb ever on bass guitar tracks.
 
grn said:
can anyone post a clip of a good bass sound? bass guitar that is. I can record it properly with DI, but I'm not sure what type of EQ if any I need to use and how much reverb I should add, etc. I know it depends a great deal on the mix, but just a starting point would help.

You may be surprised as to what comprises a good bass sound for a lot of mixes.
A starting point would be to narrow down for the board, the genre of music you are looking to emulate. I don't want to dip into my acid polka collection for the perfect track when you're wanting to hear late 80's Japanese hair bass.

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grn said:
I know it depends a great deal on the mix . . .

So much so that it would be pretty irelevent to go around listening to other people's clips.

Although it might be fun, I suppose.
 
Big Kenny said:
I want to hear '80s japanese hair bass

You don't have 'Rock and Roll Crazy Nights' by Loudness? For shame!
 
My experience is that when I record myself on bass it sounds like ass when solo'ed but it fits quite nicely in a mix.
 
grn said:
can anyone post a clip of a good bass sound? bass guitar that is. I can record it properly with DI, but I'm not sure what type of EQ if any I need to use and how much reverb I should add, etc. I know it depends a great deal on the mix, but just a starting point would help.

Unless you are going for an unusually live and roomy sound, I would stay very far away from reverb on bass tracks. If you really need some more verb in your bass tracks, I'd mic a bass amp to get some room into it.

Christiaan is right, good bass tracks for the mix usually sound like ass soloed. I wouldn't even eq anything until you get to the mix stage.
 
well i am going for ... hmm, a rock sound... like weezer. i guess it doesn't matter until i get to the mix. but at least give me some hints as to what i should be listening for... and if the need arises, what type of frequencies should i play with for bass... that affect whether it sounds bright, dark, smooth, or dirty, etc.

what tips do you have for blending it nicely in the mix? aside from "use your ears". any musical references i can listen to?
 
20-80hz... Unless you have REALLY good monitors, don't boost or you'll find yourself in trouble. High pass around 40-50hz if there is too much rumble.

80-150hz... This is the body of your bass tracks, changes here can really screw your bass tracks, be careful here. I usually find myself boosting these frequencies a bit.

200-500hz... If I'm going to scoop out anything, its usually in here somewhere.

500-1000hz... Really depends on the song. boost in this range for punch and detail. cut for a dead sound.

This is just meant to be a rough guide. What you'll end up EQing in your mix is really dependant on a lot of factors. Have fun.
 
thank you... this is the useful info I've been looking for.
 
GRN,

I can tell from this thread, as well as a few others you may have been starting lately . . . that you're looking for some "basic guidelines," etc, and that your hope is to get some ideas of what to look for and what not when EQ'ing / mixing.

And I can tell that you're getting kind of frustrated with the difficulty in getting straight answers. Kind of like with aything else, there should be some "rules of thumb" right? It's not like you're expecting some universal rules or for anyone to hold your hand -- you're just looking for some basic guidance and for us to share what works for us and that sort of thing.

Well, I'm going to tell you this in the simplest way I know how: Nothing that I or anyone else is going to tell you is going to be of much use. Reason being that every project is different . . . every arrangement is different, most bass guitars sound different and players play differently . . . and the things that I'll do on the bass for one band will be much different than what I do for another band.

The bass guitar, of all things, does not reside in a vaccum. The idea is to "fit it in" with the rest of the tracks so that it finds it's "pocket," so to speak . . . or where it fits in with the mix. The pocket will vary from project to project . . . bass to bass . . . and will depend a lot on how the kick drum sounds and how the guitars sound, especially.
 
I do appreciate this. Thanks. You're right on as to what I've been going through.
 
Furthermore, the brain and fingers of the bassist are far more significant than EQ or other signal processing. Then there's the question of what instrument you are using; suggestions on how to process a Precision bass may not be appropriate at all for, say, a Rickenbacker or Les Paul bass.
 
AGCurry said:
suggestions on how to process a Precision bass may not be appropriate at all for, say, a Rickenbacker or Les Paul bass.

. . . or a Jazz bass, for that matter.

You see, some basses tend to need a healthy boost in the midrange to get some extra growl out of them in order to cut through a busier rock mix. Precisions can sometimes fall in to that category. Others, like a Jazz or a Richenbacher, tend to have plenty of that to begin with, and may actually need some taming in the midrange in order to soften them a bit. Depending on the context of the mix, though, and how it's being played.

Another major factor is how old the strings are. Older strings have very little presence, while newer ones sometimes have too much. Where your right hand (assuming you're right-handed) plays in relation to the pickups actually has a very large effect on the tone, surprizingly enough.

This is a really obvious one, but it's worth a mention -- but the arrangement of the song and the bass part will have a large impact on how you'll approach EQ'ing the track. Namely, if the parts are in a higher octave, you'll probably find yourself cutting much less low-bass than if most of the parts are open, drop-tuned E string, for example. :D Kind of an obvious one, there.

Whether you use your fingers or a pick will greatly affect how you will EQ the track (Sometimes you may need to cut some high mids if the the pick has too much attack, or boost if not enough). So many factors at play, but the genesis of a great bass track is to start with a great-sounding bass and someone who plays it the right way in relation to the song/arrangement. If you have those "bases" covered (no pun intended), you'll rarely need any EQ at all.
 
here's an example:

the bass player in my band has a fender precision bass from the mid 70s and it seems that all that thing does is rumble. i usually have to cut the ultra lows somewhat and boost the mids on it in order to get it to punch through. it's very difficult to work with--especially when you mix in a kick drum--i find myself having to carve all manner of space around them for each other so that neither drowns the other, yet keeping them both prominent in the mix. very difficult to work with indeed.

my bass, on the other hand, is an elcheapo yamaha (with P-style pickups) that i bought in 88 or 89. it's got very little low end and lots of that midrange twang (think geddy lee's Wal bass on the Presto album). it sounds a lot like a rickenbacher. i love the way it records--i never have a problem balancing it with a kick drum--they natural sound of the two instruments play very nicely together and i find that i really don't have to do a lot of eqing.

in both cases i'm using a VTB-1 as the DI, and i'm sure that if i found a DI that better mated with the fender it would work better.....but i'm making do with what i've got in that sense. and in both cases, you've got different basses played by different players with different styles.

there's a book you might want to check out--called "The Mixing Engineer's Handbook" or something like that. it's *very* high-level and i'm sure it'll have a lot of what you're looking for. i find it to be a useful starting point in some instances, but no book (or anyone else's way of doing something) should ever be treated as gospel. you have to find what works for you, for the project and for the mix. every mix will be different.


cheers,
wade
 
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