Burning to CD

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I just read in the manual after messing around on my yamaha2816 that after i create a stereo track and burn that to the internal cd drive in 24 bit, 44.1 mode, that it takes the 24 bit and turns it into 16 bit mode. I thought whats the point of recording in 24 bit if its just gonna get transfered into 16 bit. So my solution is that i have a JVC three disc changer burner that records in 44.1 and has digital ins and outs. Is it worth hooking up this burner to my workstation so i can record in 44.1 and make cds in 24 bit, and if so is digital transfer the best way to go?
 
for all practical purposes you can't really make audio CD's with 24 bit sound. Even if you have the equipment to do it (like a Masterlink) all regular CD players will just truncate the extra bits over 16, or else refuse to play it at all.

But, as has been discussed here too many times to count, it is still far better to record and mix at 24 bits and DITHER down to 16 bits at the mastering stage than to do nthe whole project from start to finish at 16 bits.

24 vs. 16 gives greater dynamic range, better stereo imaging, smoother reverb tails and fades, and in general a more detailed audio image. Dithering maintains some of that advantage even after the audio is reduced to 16 bits.

Do a search for posts that contain the words "rounding errors" or "dither" for more detailed discussion.
 
Yo MentillianMan:

Here is an alternative.

Record in 24 bit; do all the balancing and tweaking. Run your sound out of the RCA stereo outs into a DAT or a good cassette deck and you will get a pretty darned good recording.

Make sure you set the levels and check everything on your monitors before taping; but tape is so inexpensive and you can record right over mistakes or cleanse the tape with a magnetic zapper.


:D :p Green Hornet
 
I will give that a try, but if i used the stereo outs to record onto my exterior burner, would it be in 24 bit. The tape is good enough for me i am just asking because i know some customers will come to record wanting to take home a cd in cd quality.
 
Yo Mentilliam:

Good question. But, from what I have read about CDR or CDRW, the CD will be in 16 bit.

Now, will the 24 bit enhance? I'm not sure.

But, why not give it a test and let me know what happens.

Cheers,

Green Hornet:D :p ;)
 
Just cause you can't make an audio cd at 24 bits, doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to make a DATA cd with wav files or the sort at 24 bits. Check the yamaha 2816 manual to see if there is an option to make an archive cd at 24 bit. That way you can have a high quality backup of your tracks and also possibly do the dither to 16 inside a pc.

I don't think your external burner would be 24 bit. Those are designed to make cd copies and mix cds to be played on consumer decks, which are 16/44.1.

You're probably better off sticking with the burner on the yammy even if all you need is to make audio cds for your customers to listen to at home.

Rock on!
Pat
 
Yo Houdini without a trick:

Well, no matter which way, when you go to CD, you go to 16 bit.

Maybe the next generation will be a "bit" more?

Green Hornet :D ;) :p
 
But will the dithering on the yamaha help the sound quality after i burn i to cd?
 
The Green Hornet said:
Yo Houdini without a trick:

Well, no matter which way, when you go to CD, you go to 16 bit.

Maybe the next generation will be a "bit" more?
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G to tha H:

Clarify, I must.

If ya can have a 24 bit WAV file saved on your hard drive, you can burn one on a CD.

It's just a file.. the CD is the storage and doesn't care how ya chuck the 0's and 1's at it.

Now, you can't expect to slam this DATA cd into your sanyo boombox and hear bitchin' 24 bit Hi-Fir-deli-Tea audio. Ya need a computer or something that can recognise the files in that format.

[ECHO]The next generation of audio is here!!![/ECHO]

and it's DVD-licious...

I'm lame,
Pat
 
mentil69 said:
But will the dithering on the yamaha help the sound quality after i burn i to cd?
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I say just stick with the Yam machine because it's one less thing to screw up..

Now if the JVC is much more stable and reliable than the built-in, or it's faster... then it might be worth it...

I realize you paid dearly to have a burner in your DAW (and also for the stand alone one) so use it (or that)... but...

from yomama website:
"Internal CD-RW Drive
With the CD-RW drive you can take your projects from initial recording right through to creating audio CDs that will play on standard CD players. But there's more: use inexpensive, reliable CD-R or CD-RW disks to back up your valuable audio and mix data. You can also play back audio CDs, and load data from commercial CD-ROMs. "

Sounds tasty!
Pat
 
thanx for all the ideas but it didnt really answer my question. I wanted to know if im going to stick with the yamaha, then should i use its dithering effects?
 
Yes. Unless you really want to do the dither somewhere else (ex. PC). 24 bit to 16 bit is a fairly simple operation as long as you're using the same sample rate as the final product. And you are, 44.1.

The 24 bit DATA cd is just for backup purposes, and I suggest you make them! Plus you can save automation data!! That rocks!

BTW: The JVC might not handle the 24 bit digital signal, as littledog eluded to in the second post. I wasn't even thinking about that...

Good luck, the 2816 looks like a pretty cool piece of gear!

Pat
 
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