Burning 48000 KHz stereo is IMPOSSIBLE?

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I use Cakewalk and a CD rewritable to make CDs of my own music, but I'm disappointed that I can't burn the highest quality wave files. :confused:
I use Adaptec (did I spell that right?) or Nero because I'm trying to figure out which one I like better. I have a WIN98 machine, Pent.II 300.
Thanks in advance!
Jason
 
If you are trying to burn a .cda disk with 48KHz .wav files, then I am am going to say "duh"!!!! You can't. .cda can only be 44.1KHz. If you are backing up your work and burning DATA files and it won't do it, then you have some kind of problem with the software, can't think of what though.

Try applying a Re-sampler to the 48KHz file. Don't worry, the extra drive space you "wasted" by recording at 48KHz was not a total waste at all. Your Re-sampled file will sound much better because you started out with a higher sampling rate. Next, you need to try recording at 24 bits if your soundcard supports it... :) Then you will be getting some killer sound.

Ed
 
Okay, this helps a bit. I have some more newbie questions spawned by your answer.

>If you are trying to burn a .cda disk with
>48KHz .wav files, then I am am going to
>say "duh"!!!! You can't. .cda can only be
>44.1KHz.

First, what's CDA. (duh... I probably should know this but I'm not sure.)

>If you are backing up your work and burning
>DATA files and it won't do it, then you
>have some kind of problem with the
>software,

Second, I'm not backing up my work... I don't want data CDs, but audio CDs. I have no problem saving the Waves as files, I just can't convert them into a readable format for audio CD players.

>Try applying a Re-sampler to the 48KHz
>file.

I don't know what a re-sampler is. Where could I find one of these?

>Next, you need to try recording at 24 bits
>if your soundcard supports it... Then you
>will be getting some killer sound.

I sampled these waves at 32 bit, stereo, 48000 KHz. Is the 32 bit the problem rather than the 48000? Sorry I'm such a newbie... (blush).
 
The .cda files are the files that you would see in Windoze Explorer if you were to look at an audio CD. They would be called track1.cda etc. CDA is just the three letter extension to these files.

(It's probably worth noting here that the .cda files aren't actually the entire music track, but just the header file for the music track. The actual audio track is not visible in Explorer)

A resampler is a bit of hardware or program that converts a digital audio track from one sample rate (eg. 48kHz) to another sample rate (eg. 44.1kHz). I'm not real sure where you can find one of these, although I was under the impression that a few of the audio editing packages could do this for you. Am I correct here?
 
Good answers gaffa.

Every Cakewalk version I have seen has a Re-sampler in it, look around. But you may want to look into getting some software specific for audio mastering, like Steinberg's Wave Lab. Wave Lab has an excellent re-sampler.

It is a good idea to back up your work. You know the old saying on computers; if it don't exist in at least two places, it is not safe.

32 bit is no problem, when you burn the disk, I believe that the 16 bottom bits will get lopped off. But this is not a good idea. Also, they are not true 32 bit files, because I have yet to see any 32 bit converters on the market specifically for audio uses. It would rather expensive.

It sounds like you have quite a learning curve ahead of you. I would really bear down and start reading. You are going to not only need to figure out ALL of the capabilities of Cakewalk for audio, but you need to get up on other aspects of digital audio.

.cda is actually .cdda (compact disk digital audio). Your authoring software converts the .wav, or .sun, or .raw file that you choose to burn to disk as a .cdda file from it's format on the hard drive to .cdda . .cdda can only currently be 16 bit 44.1KHz sampling rate. So no matter how you are recording your audio to the hard drive, it must wind up 16/44.1 before your authoring software can burn a .cdda file to the disk.

Like I say, start reading posts on this site, and also check out the helpfull tutorials on the main page, www.homerecording.com to learn more.

Ed
 
Thanks to all for great answers and kind ones as well. I know how frustrating it is to reiterate something you've stated clearly in FAQ. I couldn't find anything directly explaining my problem there, so my apologies if I missed it.

>But you may want to look into getting some
>software specific for audio mastering, like
>Steinberg's Wave Lab. Wave Lab has an
>excellent re-sampler.

Thanks for the tip. I'll check it out.

>It is a good idea to back up your work.

Oh, thanks. Yes, I always back up...

The one thing that is a little disappointing is that my MP3s are so clear and crisp when converted from these souped-up wave files (48000), but when I drop the wave files down a notch (44.1) to a rate the CD Re-Writable will handle, I lose a little of that crispness.

>It sounds like you have quite a learning
>curve ahead of you. I would really bear
>down and start reading. You are going to
>not only need to figure out ALL of the
>capabilities of Cakewalk for audio, but you
>need to get up on other aspects of digital
>audio.

Thanks so much. I appreciate your candor.

>So no matter how you are recording your
>audio to the hard drive, it must wind up
>16/44.1 before your authoring software can
>burn a .cdda file to the disk.

Looks like I need to find a way to "compress" the audio without losing the quality I want. This resampling is probably the ticket.

>Like I say, start reading posts on this
>site, and also check out the helpful
>tutorials on the main page, >www.homerecording.com to learn more.

Thanks. I will. Thanks again for all your help. Love the site.

Jason
 
There is a trick to burn wav's in higher quality.
Burning SW indicates standard extensions like wav as audio and defaults to cdda writing for this extension.
Even applying the alternate CDFS.VXD doesn't prevent from this behaviour.

Give your high level wav another extension like XXW and tell your Play/Record/Editing SW to use this extension, some of them will allow for this, but not all.
Than burn these files as data ISO/Joliet to the cd, it won't complain ;)
 
WHAT?! will they play on regular cd players?!!!!?! or you mean they are burned on as data, so actually they are just wav files.

[This message has been edited by kristian (edited 03-30-2000).]
 
Of course they will not play on a regular cd-player, they will play on a cd-rom where data can be read as is and the application for play is willing to accept other extensions. At least any PC could do so.

I'm awaiting the first CD-R/RW Player the next days which shall be cabable to read any known audio-data-format, I'll see if he can cope other extensions also, than it shouldn't be a problem to get a higher quality output to a standard HIFI.
 
I was actually more interested in getting a CD to play these powerful wave files as a cda file in any cd player. Thanks for the cool tip though. Who knows when it might come in handy. :D
Yours,
Jason
 
CD audio is 44,100hz 16bit and that's it. There's no other way to go, and frankly, they don't sound bad :)

Your only alternative is DVD audio for which the standard is *supposed* to be 24bit 96,000hz. But we'll see how big companies decide to screw with that as DVD begins to replace CD (keep your fingers crossed).

Slackmaster 2000
 
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