Building a "Leslie" rotating speaker cabinet.

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Recently, I came into the possesion of an old amplifier and a decent 12" speaker. I am going to build a small Leslie style rotating speaker cabinet out of it. I have a record turntable that I can rig for two speed and I can see the design in my imagination, but I thought I'd throw the Idea at you all to see if you have any advice or pitfalls I should avoid. I realize this is probably going to be amature hour, but I thought it'd be fun to try this out and really, I have nothing to lose.

I figure that I'd build a tall box, approx. 13" square, house the amp and speaker in the top half and locate the turntable and motor assy on the lower shelf, like a leslie. I don't want to build anything as large as a full leslie cabinet and would make this thing smaller and more portable, not that Im planning on moving it around much. I have 3/4" mdf board and the amp has volume, bass and treble controls. The output of the amp is 35 watts, stereo and the turntable is a direct drive with two speed capability. I have already removed all the "automatic" junk from the table and have only the disc and motor on the original housing, which is all I should need. My only issue is what to use to build the speaker baffle?

Any thoughts?
 
Let me guess- the turntable's 2 speeds are 33 and 45? 33 is way too fast for the 'slow' Leslie effect. 35 watt RMS per channel stereo amp? You're only running one speaker, with the design you are proposing - only going to use 1 side of the amp? Make sure you match the impedance (ohms) of the amp and speaker. Do you know the power handling capacity of the speaker? Have you ever built a speaker cabinet before? Going to have a bass port?
 
AHA! That's what I looking for. Thanks for that. I wasn't sure about the table speed but I can adjust that. Yes, I have built speaker cabs before, with various degrees of sucess. I have learned a thing or two over the years. I will have a bass port, match impedance, but I'm not sure what to do about the stereo amp, yet. This is just a fun project and I expect that it will be the one where I make my mistakes and serve as the proto-type for a better next try. You never know, though. I have a reputation for making sucesses out of things other people fail at. All my friends have nicknamed me "MacGyver" although I think "Red Green" would sometimes be more accurate except I don't even own a roll of duct tape. The materials I'm using are just because I have them. If this turns out with any real promise, I will invest in better materials and be more meticulous about the whole process. I'm not going to be sloppy here, I'm just experimenting and having a little fun. I appreciate any advice because I would still like to see a certain degree of sucess. Thanks for your input.
 
Have you researched Leslies much, in anticipation of your project? Not to get IYF, but from your post, it appears you have not. I am a bit farther down that path than you, so maybe I can be of some help. In no particular order:

Is the amplifier tube or solid state? The L's that have the most cache' are tube powered. In fact, tube power is part of the leslie sound. 35 watts per channel should be fine for a Leslie, esp. if it is tubed. 35 SS watts should do you okay for home or home-studio use, but if you take it on stage with a group, chances are you will be overcome by the drums and guitarist's rig. If YOU are the guitarist, I'd guess you have an amp of 50 or more watts- make your Leslie unpowered, and run it from your amp's powered speaker out. That is basically Clapton's and SRV's approach, as I recall.

A google search will, in time, show you the rotating speed of a Leslie's rotors. Using belts and pulleys, you may be able to get close to one or the other of the "correct" speeds, but as I recall, the speed spread of a L's high and low speeds is much greater than that of a 2-speed turntable, so you will have to be close to one, far away from the other. I can't tell you which you should shoot for, I may have read it somewhere, but I am going from memory- I don't feel my best tonight, so I just don't want to kill myself researching every little detail for you. You will have to do your own scud work!

Your box would have to be mighty tall, if it's 13" on a side, to have the kind of interior volume, and thus bass response, a Leslie cab has. I am talking two stories tall, probably. A L cab is about 3 feet on a side. L's also usually used a 15" speaker (but some did have 12's), so you will probably be disappointed by the bass you would get from your plan.

Also, L's had TWO rotors, one driving a horn for highs, the other driving a 12 or 15 for bass. AND, they turned at different speeds. Wait, there's more. They rotated IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION. Some did only have one rotor, but THEY TURNED THE HORN, NOT THE WOOFER- so you are going about this in the exact opposite direction, if you want 'classic' leslie sound. Buying a Leslie horn, either original or repro, will send your project budget through the roof. I have seen a few brave souls make one out of PVC pipe, though. If you want to keep your cab smaller, like you said, I'd ditch the 12 and get a tweeter that has a screw-on horn, or a cheap piezo tweeter, and remove the horn. Have the tweeter fire upwards, into the rotating horn you end up, either bought or built. the 12 is not useless- you can put it in either the bottom of your cab if you make the cab Leslie-sized, or in another cab. Leslies that did not have a baffle for the 12 or 15 fired the woofer downwards, and some had a "Rotosonic" rotor at the bottom of the cab- that was a 15" (or so) rotating drum with a 6 X 9 speaker in it, firing out. Don't bother trying to duplicate a Rotosonic, there are probably plenty kicking around. Heck, I have one I can sell you, cheap.

If you go with a rotating horn and a woofer (rotating or not,) leslies had a crossover, you will need one, too. As I recall, the cut off point for both was about 700Hz- 700Hz and below going to the woofer, all frequencies above going to the horn. Double check that. Passive crossovers with that setting are hard to come by- your only source is probably companies that make Leslie replacement parts. That means pricy, you can probably get by cheaper with an older active crossover.

Another route for your rotator is to find a rotator from a mid-70's and later "Dolphin" class Hammond or other brand of organ from the same era. Most if not all have a transistor tone generator, and are worthless, even if fully functional- and they usually are NOT fully functional. I have one such rotor, with 1-speed motor, that is probably surplus to me, if you want it, PM me. Those rotors had a 6" speaker in them, which was not rotating, only the rotor turned. You might get pretty close to the leslie tone, but I have been told by a man who should know, that it's a crap shoot- you may end up with a good tone, you may end up with something that sounds like a leslie to some folks, but the true cognoscenti will know better right away.

I may have a couple of surplus parts- Rotosonic rotor, rotor from the Dolphin, etc. PM me if interested.
 
Whoa....My head's gonna SPLODE! Actually, I'm aware of most of this. I going with the rotating 12" and not the horn. This is just for my modest studio and I do have tweeters and horns and crossovers in my stash of odds and ends. I suppose if I wanted to get complicated with all the reverse rotations and speed differentials, I would just find a good used Leslie cab and not bother with this project. I had a leslie available to me years ago when I was gigging full time and I loved the sound but who wants to move the blasted thing every gig? I could just build a speaker cab and drum and line a speaker out from my amp, which I have considered, but I have this amp and thought it would be usefull here and all I'm trying to accomplish is to have the 12" fire staight down into the rotating drum for that "whirling" sound. I appreciate this information. It's all good. Either way, this is gonna be interesting and I'll have some fun with it. Hey, if it craps out, I will learn something and have had an interesting time with it and be able to say, I tried.

Thanks for the input. I really appreciate it. It's funny how you know certain things but forget until someone tells you and then you remember. I had forgotten about the reverse rotation of the horns but I knew they rotated at different speeds. I remember watching the cab that I had and the motors were the same top and bottom, but they reacted differently when activated and this made the speeds different. Still, I hunger for a similar sound and who knows, maybe I'll find one for sale at a reasonable price and snag it. There was one locally for sale for $300.00 but it was gone before I could jump at it.

Thanks again
 
Glad to offer whatever help and info I can. You are welcome.
 
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