Break Stuff - Limp Bizkit

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Hi,
I have been trying to get that really crushing distortion sound used on the intro riff of this song. I've detuned, scooped the mid, tried various stomp boxes and various guitars yet I still can't get it. I can get a good sound when playing this song live but when I try and record it, it just sounds weak.
Any help would be great.
Jon
 
Dude man. I hear ya. Its a real bitch recording a good heavy guitar sound. Thats the thing that gives me the most trouble time and time again. Have you tried layering tracks? Recording one guitar track, going back and rerecording another seperate track over the first one? I usually layer 2 or 3 or even 4 of the same guitar track on top of eachother before Im happy.

Also what kind of amp are you using? Youre gonna need something that can push some air for the badass heavy tone youre seaking.
 
Jb2, I know this may sound strange knowing the modern-guitar penchant for scooped-to-death mids, but try putting some mids back in. I read an article in some guit mag where they were talking to the dudes from Slayer (pretty heavy, at least in my book) and they said they recorded with a lot more mids than you would think. Also in my last band we covered that song (a real struggle for an old fart like me, I had a guitar with BIG ASS strings tuned down to C just to cover the new stuff). It was a two guitar band and the other guy played through a 4X12 AND a 2x12 closed back, all solid state w/NO mids. I'm on the other side playing thru tubes, into tubes, into more tubes, with an eq curve looking like the front of my sweats when the new Victoria's Secret catalog arrives (ALL MIDS). I think the resulting Wall'o'Noise was pretty crushing at times. But once again, this comes from a guy who is more at home trying to ape Jeff Beck, not Wes Borland.

peace.
 
Pull back on the distortion, the heaviest stuff isn't all that distorted. Full saturation isn't always what ya want, try experimenting by turning the dist down to the lowest level and slowly turning it up until you get what sound like enough saturation and a full body. More players need to know this, crank it for shows, be conservative when you record.

Enough of me today... good luck buddy!
 
GODDAMNIT!!!! WHO EVER STARTED THE MYTH OF GOOD DISTORTION SOUND MEENS SCOOPING THE MID SHOULD BE SHOT!

RIGHT NOW!

use your mid it's there for a reason is all i'm trying to say. And 'bout the less dist is more... to some extend.
But full blown slayer tone needs an amp dedicated too GAIN set at around 7-8 at least.

BTW you'll never get that LB tone (i hate 'm but that's irrelevant;)) unless you spend alot of bucks. don't get fixated on that tone, find your own.

greetz guhlenn
 
good call. listen to god smack. now that's pretty heavy guitar and more mid than you can shake a stick at.
 
if you ever owned a boogie you know why. Marshall propagates this 10-0-10 setting as the "trash-metal" mode. well fuck 'm! that way it 'll sound GREAT ... in your bedroom. in all other places tyou only hear a vacuum cleaner noise. some engineer explained it to me in detail.
mesa doesn't advertise this idiot's setting. actually, they state that for a more agressive/in your face tone mid should be around 5-8.
suck on that!
i currently have a marshall DSL and not using mids is equal to killing your tone, yes it all smoothes (to a listener) out but that's exactly the problem. use your mids as it brings your guitar to live. it also makes you 'cut thru' as marshall always says (and make your mistakes more audible so you'll be a better guitar player too.

isn't life great? ok this is going to far.

greetz guhlenn;)
 
Try the Boss MT-2 pedal, its got a nice dist tone as well as bass, treble, mid, and mid frequency... very usefull.
 
best pedal around is de boss metal zone, but only if you like the sound of a pedal ofcourse...

IMHO
greetz guhlenn

ps and you wont get that LB tone.. you will need a rectifier .
 
Do The Mid Thang!

Simply put, MID = PUNCH. Not too much though or it will = MUD
Also, a nice 4-10 cab doesn't hurt.:cool:
 
4x12 if you ask me but hey, who the f**k am i?

greetz guhlenn
 
When I am asked to play on a heavy track, a Les Paul (or PRS) and a Marshall half-stack is usually requested. I usually will use a JCM 1000 with a Marshall 1960A 4X12 loaded with Celestion Greenbacks. I know this is an old and boring setup but it has a very consistant tone, and is still requested often in sessions. And I find myself pulling back the treb a little and pushing the mid up to get the wicked tone.
If your amp has a 'presence' knob, you can try adjusting that also, it can really affect the sound.
-H2H
 
It's all in what your lookin for

Don't get me wrong 4-12's sound great too. But if you want to cut through, There's nothing like the solid mid range punch of 4-10's
 
The Phat sound is more easily created live but I think the question was how to record it. Some Sound engineers suggest using smaller combo (valve) amps with slightly less distortion as one would think (as already mentioned above). Then to crank the little amp up so that it works at optimal output.

Use a SHureSM57 Mic right up to the speaker with a little offset from the middle but as close to the speaker as possible. Then put an omnidirectional mic (something like a good video camera mic) in the same room to pic up the ambience, mix it together to taste.

If I listen to the Limb Bizkit sound it sounds like a 80 Marshall Valvestate somehow (I might be way off), but I know a grindcore band that used to record with a valvstate and they got a very simialar result.

http://www.mp3.com/spunkonnancy
http://www.garageband.com/artist/salemonsunday
 
you're way off! but that's ok. it does sound a LITTLE like a valvestate. it's a rectifier.

and TJ; your right it does depend on what you want. But i've got a low A (downtuned) so i need the 12". Gives me that fat low grind, you know? if you don't well, it's fat! ;)

Greetz guhlenn:)
 
BTW, i've never really compared it, but isn't live-sound somehow the same? I mean live the pa guy can use some more volume but that's not sound. if you use a sm57 in the studio and live, there should be really few differences.

is it all in our head?

are we only dreaming?

guhlenn;)
 
You never know how somebody recorded something. They could have done anything. Chances are, it's probably not just one single amp that lamebizkit is using. The recording engineer for alice in chains, used to record about six guitar tracks of the same thing, but with different amps and mic setups . That's how they got that huge chunky sound. I think Helmut is right on recording with the SM-57 right up to the amp. I like that setup. But unless you have a good ambient room. The ambient mic thing is gonna cause grief and frustration. Something we all know and love right? If you ask me guhlenn, recorded guitar is supposed to sound the same as live, that's the idea, but its not always an easy sound to achieve on a recording. And after 20 years of guitar playing I know exactly what your talkin' about with the grind. I have a fender super60 W/ 4-10 cab. All I can say about the sound of it is that it's UNBEFRIGGINLIEVABLE. Balls to the wall, Full of tone, Too Loud! I also have a 2-12 cab that I use with a marshall silver series 2555 the same head that wierdo Slash uses. The tone is great, but the head is noisy and unreliable. It's in mint condition too. Maybe I got a lemon. I like the 4-10s. The super60 is an amazing amp. I know it's stock, but my buddy who used to test guitars for Martin down in Nazareth, Pennsylvania, Seems to think It's been Hotrodded.
Not a chance.

Dudes, T.J.Hooker:cool:

[Edited by T.J.Hooker on 01-09-2001 at 09:02]
 
marshall heads tend too be noisy yes. i got it from some interview (the amp of lamebizkit, i like that name btw).
Although i must state that (shame on me) the guitar parts of lb are absolutly PHat. burn me burn me burn me.

i'm still not sure 'bout the 10"... been thinking about them but got a really cheap 4x12" which i ripped apart and made 2 x 2x12" with perfect (custom = it is build by me and my dad) isolation. Man does that low end come out! got vintage celestions in there with a DSL top. it's all i need. don't use anything else, well a guitar...;)

maybe i'll buy some 10" some day... just afraid that i've got to much low for them. (or so i'd like to believe hehehe ;))

greetz guhlenn:)
 
COOL BEANS

It sounds like your pretty happy with your setup, That's cool. You should stick with what you like. I can listen to bizkit's first two CD's. But the new stuff just bores me. Nothing's changed with them. But none the less absolute balls guitar indeed. Alot of that wierdo with the mask's sound is probably due to that seven string Ibanez. I think it's an Ibanez anyway. Well hey man, "happy strummin'"
T.J.Hooker
 
thanks. an the same to you...

and ofcourse i'm happy with my setup, else i would have changed it! i used to have a full-blown 19"rack with about 15K on gear in it. It just fucked up everything! I didn't notice myself untill some engineer at a gig came to me and asked me if my cab was ringing or trembling or something. when i said no, he just replied : then it's your distortion.

sold everything and bought the marshall and never been happier!

And yeah the dude with the mask has a 7 string. but the trick is it's tuning: he uses 2 (!) high c#'s next to eachother (that would be a 3 steps downtuned guitar with duplicated high c#.)

Don't know if it's just some weird thing he likes or really is effective in getting nice voicings and such...

Ah well,

Greetz guhlenn ;)
 
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