boss ds 1 vs dod grunge

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how is the dod grunge pedal compared to the boss ds1, .. the ds 1 for me right now seems to get too much of a trebl-ish sound and i'm trying to find something with a little more of low end punch. oh, and the ds 1 has had the modification to it where you remove one of the resistors and replace it with an led, s'posed to give more low end, and it did, but not quite enough to keep it from sounding harshly trebelish
 
i removed one of the resistors on the circuit board, i think its labled d7 or something like that. theres a big write up somewhere on teh net if you search on an engine. anyways, remove the resistor and solder an led in place of it, it adds some low end to the tone by bypassing that frequency or something, i dont really know the whole technical side of it. , makes the treble not as harsh, it works pretty well. i had just seen that the dod grunge pedal had gone down to 30 bucks and was wondering how it held up in sound compared to the boss. i mean, i know the dod is basically trying to sell based on "sounding like cobain" one of the reasons kurt threw one into the crowd at a show, but the selling out aside ive heard it can sound nice sometimes
 
My friend has a DOD Grunge. He used it for a few years, but doesn't use it anymore. I've never liked how the thing sounded. He put masking tape on it and wrote "FACEMELT" on it. It has a high-mid "sizzle" that you absolutely cannot get rid of. And there are absolutely no dynamics to the thing. i.e. a soft strum sounds almost exactly the same as a hard strum. But the bass response is there if that's what you really want.

I think you'd be better off sticking with the Boss DS-1. You don't need much bass in a guitar tone. I for one have never set the tone past half way unless I intentionally wanted to have a trashy, tinny sound.
 
If you feel you DS 1 does not give you not enough low end, why not try beefing it up a bit with an eq pedal. You could try the Boss GE7 or any other eq pedal.

On the other hand you may want to try a different pedal altogether. Heard of a brand called Nobels? They do a Fuzz which is pretty good, can make great distortion sounds and will have enough low end as well. The price of them? A bit cheaper than the Boss ones.

good luck.

Eddie
 
well, thanks for telling me about the lack of dynamics in the grunge pedal, that sucks so i think i'll stick with the boss right now, .. anyone tried one of the expandora pedals? the little circular ones . i've heard they sound better than nearly every other distortion out there,. and the dynamics are definitely there with that one , gavin and nigel from bush both used one on the razorblade suitcase album, that album if you're familiar with it is full of dynamic guitars.
 
kurt never used the grunge pedal. well i guess i can't say that he never used it.......he never used it on any of their records. he used the ds-1. he got a pretty ballsy sound, so i think you should be able to also.
 
apparently steve vai has still got a ds-1 in his rig - not sure i quite believe that - but i'm pretty sure dave navarro uses one.Who knows?!
 
yeah, , he started using the ds-2 during the in utero era didnt he? the ds-2 essentially piles more distortion on top of what you already have doesnt it? i've never really tried one so correct me if i'm wrong, just going by what someone told me. the biggest thing for me is having a little more low end but still retaining the dynamic distortion, but, i'll probably end up sticking with the ds1 and like someone said earlier use a eq pedal in the effects chain, i have a dod eq that i never use.
 
Never tried the DS-2 either...

a27thletter said:
i'll probably end up sticking with the ds1 and like someone said earlier use a eq pedal in the effects chain, i have a dod eq that i never use.

Boss makes an awesome EQ pedal if the DOD doesn't cut it... Either way you should be able to tweak the DS-1 in some way...

Good luck
 
hey, just wondering, where at in the effects chain should i have the eq pedal? should i put it somewhere in the line between my guitar and amp or should it be in the effects in/out chain area on the amp?
 
EQ can go either way. Depends on the exact tone your after, If you want to shift your whole tone more dramatically then put in the loop, but for dialing in a tone you are already famaliar with put it in line. I keep mine inline: Guitar>Compressor>Preamp/Distortion>EQ>Amplifier. All my other FX are in the loop (Chorus, Delay, etc).
 
cool, thanks for the advice, i'll experiment a little bit and see what suits me, ...
 
a27thletter said:
well, thanks for telling me about the lack of dynamics in the grunge pedal, that sucks so i think i'll stick with the boss right now, .. anyone tried one of the expandora pedals? the little circular ones . i've heard they sound better than nearly every other distortion out there,. and the dynamics are definitely there with that one , gavin and nigel from bush both used one on the razorblade suitcase album, that album if you're familiar with it is full of dynamic guitars.
ah, the good old days, when bush was a band, and music was on tapes. I actually just found my old tape collection from when I was a kid and I have that tape :cool:
 
DS1, DS2, EQ, Vai and Cobain and More...........

I wanted to post more about the DS1 and other ideas with pedals and will still do it, but it seems to be appropriate to make some comments about that here as well.

The DS1 in itself it a great pedal as it can give you many different colours: From a mild boost, to Crunch, to Fuzz and Fusion sound. True the pedal does not have a lot of bass when you turn it on full blast but that may be the thing: You need to be a bit carefull to dial in your tone.

Anyway a bit more to the point now:

Steve Vai does still use a DS1 but he had it modified by Robert Keely. I have not heard these modifications myself, but from what I read about them they just give you a bit more bass. Well in a way there are so many ways to add some bass to your sound: Various Eq pedals or perhaps even another pedal.

Now with all of this: Those pedals may be better for studio use, for a performing situation you may just need one good amp with a great sound and make all you sonic variations with your different pick-ups and tone controls as you are too busy performing and simply do not have the time to tweak as you would have in the studio.

The DS2 is a great pedal as well, but not as flexable as the DS1, yes it does the boost job and gives you great distortion, and if you wonder what the Turbo idea is: Well it gives you more midrange [Think early Metalica] it is that kind of sound, but you can not turn the DS2 into a Fusion or Crunch sound.

This midrange boost can easily perceived by the use of an EQ pedal, but I guess for performing something like the DS2 is easier to use as you can just kick it in and have you sound straight away.

Some folks made some comments about Kurt Cobain and his use of the DS1 and him getting a good sound out of it. Well just think about this: What amp did he use it through? How was his sound recorded? What kind of room did they use? What did they use during the mixing to change to overal sound? There are too many variations here so you need to be carefull, it is not like: "OH Cobain did use this, so let me get one as well" As you may find that the sounds you are getting are soo different to the ones you are hearing on a certain recording. In a way I like all of this, as it is part of becoming a better musician and understanding how certain sounds are being created.

The "In Utereo" album is mentioned as well by someone, well I feel this album has such a different guitar sound compared to the album before: The sound is much more rawer and more urgent, the songs too sound darker. Now there is a book about the journals of Kurt Cobain, when you read that you will come across some notes he made for the preparation of the recording of that album. By the time Kurt was going to do this album they had done a lot of gigs and they had the recording experience of the previous album, so I believe he knew more about the kind of sound he wanted for his songs, so a lot more thought went into it. Really it is a next step up from the previous album soundwise.

Where does you eq sit in your signal chain? Well as mentioned by others, you can put it in many different places:

Gtr----> EQ----->Distortion------Amp

Gtr---->EQ------>Distortion---->EQ---->Amp

In the fist example the EQ defines the freqency spectrum of your distortion pedal, so for example you can boost the MIDS with your EQ and the Distortion pedal will just sound more midrange, in the second example the second EQ is there to finetune some freqencies in your overal sound. Again this is something you may like in a studio situation, for perfoming you may not have the time to look at any of this.


"The Good old Days, Bush and when music was still recorded on tape"
this was a remark posted by the previous person, well in a way I agree, but it is scary to think that "These good old days" are only ten years ago, we are not even talking about the days of Led Zep or the Late Sixties period or some older electric blues guys. Do people today not have enough time to create good sounding albums with inventive guitarsounds or are we are using the same amp modellers and similar plug-ins? I am not expecting an anwer really because this topic is so deep and not only related to music but we see it in many other areas too: "The good old days", and if you want any equipment from those "good old days" period you need to fork out "good old days" money.

Surely with the technology we have today we could surpass the "Good old Days" quality, but for some reason we seem to make only half of the quality of what we were able to do in the past.

Eddie
 
thanks, lots of good information, good write up,. i agree that "we" (not really me cause i dont have half of the equipment, lol) should be able to make better sounding recordings today ,... i've heard that in utero and razorblade suitcase, both recorded by steve albini, were recorded as raw and simply as possible, mostly being recorded in one live take as i've heard that steve albini hates overdubs for some reason he just thinks it takes away from the energy , he likes a live sound, also, i've heard in an interview with bush that steve used tons of mics all over the room, hanging from the ceiling, over in teh corners and etc..
 
i have the with the lights out boxed set........it's pretty lame.....but on some of the live stuff he gets just as ballsy a tone as on inutero and that's the sound i was referring to. I know he used a lot of different amps throughout his career, but i imagine the sounds on inutero and the live ones i'm referring to are through whatever marshalls he started using during the nevermind tours.
 
ProCo Rat is one of the best distortion pedals IMHO. If you set it right you can get a skronk that is pure rawk. :)
 
Tech 21

Makes the best sounding distortion pedals IMO.. They have a sound that is more like a genuine amp distortion I feel. Since I bought my Sansamp I have sold all of my distortion pedals including my DS-1.. And I only bought the Sans for the amp modeling part, never thinking the distortion would sound that good!!!
 
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