Boss BR 600 limitations - consider before purchasing

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The sound quality on this unit is fabulous, but you need to know about the limitations of the package so you're not disappointed with the unit straight out of the box.

First, budget for a 1GB fast Compact Media card - the 128MB one that ships with the unit isn't going to be large enough. I got a Sandisk Ultra II 1GB card - which works fine - the BR600 is recommended for use with compact flash cards up to 1GB. If you get a 1GB card, get a faster one (higher transfer speeds will expedite the saves - which happen automatically after each recorded track).

Second, budget for an AC wall-wart power supply (not included). The Roland/Boss PSA series is ideal. You can't safely use another manufacturer's wall wart because Roland didn't mark the polarity of the connection on the back of the BR600 unit.

Thirdly, if you want to record stereo line in (say from a stereo keyboard or mixer) you'll need two 1/4 inch mono phono plugs (from your keyboard or mixer line outputs) to a single 1/8 inch stereo plug (for the line input on the BR-600).

Fourthly, if you want to use two external mics you can, but the BR-600 has no phantom power. Also, the two mic inputs are TRS 1/4 inch - but the unit only ships with one XLR to 1/4 inch TRS adaptor for your microphone. If you want to connect a second external mic (for stereo), then you need to buy a second TRS to XLR adaptor.

Fifthly - there is no SP/DIF input or output on this unit. There is no midi input or output on this unit or other provision for syncing.

Sixthly, the unit is supplied with 6 AA alkaline cells, but you may want to buy some spares - the ones that shipped with mine were flat.

Seven - you should go to rolandus.com and download the latest BR to wav format conversion utility.

You can go to the Japanese Roland site to download the manual in pdf form ahead of any purchase (the US site makes you register your email first - but doesn't like non-US addresses and phone numbers and didn't deliver the email to show me where to authenticate and validate my registration).

You can get a $25 rebate from Roland via their website promotion - but only in the USA and this is current as at October 2006.

Eight - you may need a USB cable to dump the files to your computer so you can burn to CD or convert to mp3. One isn't included with the unit.

Nine - you'll need a small Philips head screwdriver to remove the cover on the memory card slot.

Ten - you can only record two tracks at once - not eight. If you need to record 8 at once you're looking for something else.

Eleven - the documentation is expansive, but still is a little difficult to traverse and glib in places. No reference to recording stereo keyboards for example, or to the correct voltage for the power supply (9V).

As long as you understand the unit ships with the bare minimum of accessories, and you get whatever else you'll need by way of connectors and memory and power supply, then you will undoubtedly enjoy the compactness and pristine sound quality of the unit.

Just be aware that the out-of-box experience is something that Roland didn't consider - because the price is so low.

The COSM modelling, inbuilt mics and inbuilt drum machine on the BR600 are all amazing.

At this price and with these features, the BR-600 is unbeatable. But be aware that there are some things you may need to add to get started effectively and without too much frustration.
 
I got one about a week ago and agree with everything you say.
But for 400.00 bucks minus 25 for the rebate, you can't find a unit with more features.

Also, the built in mics are another nice feature for picking up live performances, or ambient sounds.
 
Editing tracks with the BR-600

I am considering the purchase of the BR-600, and am wondering how well the track copying function works, described on pages 75-82 of the pdf file of the owners manual. In particular, if I want to repeat or "loop" a given segment of material recorded on two tracks, would the result be seamless and clean, without glitches or pops/clicks?

I recently got a Tascam DP-01 to try this, and it worked horribly. What happened was that no matter how I copied and pasted, there was an audible pop/click at the point where the loop joined. So I returned the DP-01.

I also am drawn by the compact size of the BR-600 compared to the Tascam.

Many thanks for any feedback regarding this track editing question.

Michael Yoder
bassist, ambient jazz duo
 
By the way, I forgot to thank you, Lumbago, for your thoughtful posting. You took the time to spell out your impressions of and experiences with the BR-600, and I for one appreciate it very much. The information you posted is very helpful in my decision-making process regarding which recorder I end up purchasing for editing 2-track analogue recordings.

I would enjoy hearing from anyone who uses digital multitrack workstations their experiences of editing stereo tracks via such techniques as copying and pasting, trimming, etc.

Thanks.
Michael Yoder
bassist, Ambient Jazz Duo.
 
Hey there lumbago, excellent info on BR600. It was all relevant and helpful and I was able to make suggestions to a friend based on your post.
Hey there analog_freak, I've got a BR1600CD and have found the cut & paste, copy, insert, move etc functions really good using the 'scub' function and the markers. I have cut and pasted, inserted and moved pieces of individual tracks but have never cut and pasted a stereo mix.
The BR1600 might be overkill if you are only putting your analog stereo mixes into a digital format for burning onto CD, although it does have good mastering tools if you want to really touch up the eq and compression etc and of course it would give you the option of doing overdubs and remixing.
If you have a good computer you may find it more cost effective with software (?) and the visual aspect of seeing your tracks as you edit them might be easier. However I dont have any firsthand experience with software applications so cant make a recommendation.
 
Thanks, Frambo. Oh yes, lots of people tell me that a computer and software are the ideal way to do the kind of editing I want to do of some of my 2-track analogue recordings (repeating or "looping" selected sections and adding overdubs.) However, I get the impression from this and other forums that it is almost a full-time job to learn and remember how to use the software. Also, it seems that it would involve lots of mouse clicks instead of physically moving knobs and faders.

For me digital recording would be an occasional thing, because probably 80% of the 2-track analogue recordings would remain as is, and 20% would involve editing and overdubbing. I like the idea of a "portastudio" format where I can just whip out the owners manual and go to the appropriate page or pages for what I want to do.

Michael
 
Use one BR864 with a 1G flash card.
I plan to exchange it for something better, mostly because it takes anoying long time to convert prorietary format to exportable waves.
Looked into the bigger Bosses, but am uncertain wether they have that same problem.
If I had the money I would go for a Yamaha AW, but for now I await the new 8 track Zoom, arriving this summer. Had opportunity to test their H4, and its sound quality is promising.

/Dan-Ove
 
nice review!

The sound quality on this unit is fabulous, but you need to know about the limitations of the package so you're not disappointed with the unit straight out of the box.

First, budget for a 1GB fast Compact Media card - the 128MB one that ships with the unit isn't going to be large enough. I got a Sandisk Ultra II 1GB card - which works fine - the BR600 is recommended for use with compact flash cards up to 1GB. If you get a 1GB card, get a faster one (higher transfer speeds will expedite the saves - which happen automatically after each recorded track).

Second, budget for an AC wall-wart power supply (not included). The Roland/Boss PSA series is ideal. You can't safely use another manufacturer's wall wart because Roland didn't mark the polarity of the connection on the back of the BR600 unit.

Thirdly, if you want to record stereo line in (say from a stereo keyboard or mixer) you'll need two 1/4 inch mono phono plugs (from your keyboard or mixer line outputs) to a single 1/8 inch stereo plug (for the line input on the BR-600).

Fourthly, if you want to use two external mics you can, but the BR-600 has no phantom power. Also, the two mic inputs are TRS 1/4 inch - but the unit only ships with one XLR to 1/4 inch TRS adaptor for your microphone. If you want to connect a second external mic (for stereo), then you need to buy a second TRS to XLR adaptor.

Fifthly - there is no SP/DIF input or output on this unit. There is no midi input or output on this unit or other provision for syncing.

Sixthly, the unit is supplied with 6 AA alkaline cells, but you may want to buy some spares - the ones that shipped with mine were flat.

Seven - you should go to rolandus.com and download the latest BR to wav format conversion utility.

You can go to the Japanese Roland site to download the manual in pdf form ahead of any purchase (the US site makes you register your email first - but doesn't like non-US addresses and phone numbers and didn't deliver the email to show me where to authenticate and validate my registration).

You can get a $25 rebate from Roland via their website promotion - but only in the USA and this is current as at October 2006.

Eight - you may need a USB cable to dump the files to your computer so you can burn to CD or convert to mp3. One isn't included with the unit.

Nine - you'll need a small Philips head screwdriver to remove the cover on the memory card slot.

Ten - you can only record two tracks at once - not eight. If you need to record 8 at once you're looking for something else.

Eleven - the documentation is expansive, but still is a little difficult to traverse and glib in places. No reference to recording stereo keyboards for example, or to the correct voltage for the power supply (9V).

As long as you understand the unit ships with the bare minimum of accessories, and you get whatever else you'll need by way of connectors and memory and power supply, then you will undoubtedly enjoy the compactness and pristine sound quality of the unit.

Just be aware that the out-of-box experience is something that Roland didn't consider - because the price is so low.

The COSM modelling, inbuilt mics and inbuilt drum machine on the BR600 are all amazing.

At this price and with these features, the BR-600 is unbeatable. But be aware that there are some things you may need to add to get started effectively and without too much frustration.

thanks for that :)

how bout the monitor? can I use a large computer monitor to see what I am doing? I have heard that only Rolands have video out. but I don't know,
that's why I am asking! I cannot see those teency little screens even with
my glasses on. it's ridiculus. I need READERS DIGEST LARGE PRINT monitor
capibility and was not sure if Boss could do that. thanks!
 
No, there is no video screen output. The screen is a simple two-line LCD display, switchable to the parameters you are adjusting or to show audio signal strength or output.

There are a lot of limitations to the BR600, and depending on how much you want to spend and how much you want to do, you can move up in the series for more features and ease of use.
 
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