Best prebuilt computer - or Build it my self??

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Yes, pretty hard to beat an Athlon XP CPU w/DDR Ram for the money.

If I lived anywhere other than Alaska I would have been happy to build a computer for you frank_1 for very minimal labor charge. Unfortunately shipping prices get a bit out of hand up here.....

Good luck!
 
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Ok. I'm sure this thread has pretty much been answered to death, but it's late so I'm just going to answer it again. I didn't really read any of the other replies so forgive me if I'm covering something thats already been said. If you don't know much about building your own PC, find someone you trust that does. This is a lot of money to spend on a first try. If you don't want to get into the innards and details of building your own, you could look at a Dell and basically, when ordering..just strip it down to just what it needs to run, then add what you want when you get it.

Anyway, $1200 is way more than you would need to put together a decent intel system for multimedia purposes. A good rule would be to keep it minimalistic. Don't add components you won't need. This saves IRQ's, money and time. This doesn't mean buy the cheapest things, but theres no sense in buying a DVD drive and decoder if this is for recording only...

First off, figure out what you want inside and what you'll need to power (HDD's, CD-R's, etc..) A good ATX case can be had for under $100 with a power supply large enough to handle an average number of devices.

Get a 3.5 floppy drive. You never know when you might need it. These are only a few dollars.

SDRAM and DDR RAM is cheap. Get a lot, it never hurts to have too much. Right now I'm running with 512MB.

The processor brand and speed are up to you and your budget. Personally, I think the AMD cpus are a better value and I dislike the P4 for various reasons. Right now I use a P3 550, but with current prices, I would suggest a 933MHz or faster.

Storage is also more of a personal preference. SCSI or IDE, it's up to you. IDE will be cheaper and easier to set up. Usin two drives is also a good idea. Keeping your system separate from your music data can save you a ton of trouble if your OS somehow becomes corrupt. You don't need a ton of space on the system drive, but nowadays, you don't see many IDE drives smaller than 10GB. You'll want a big data drive, 60GB are pretty cheap now.

As for video, it's really not too important for recording audio...a 32MB AGP card shouldn't be too much but get a good monitor. You''ll probably be staring at it for a long time and fuzzy and cheap monitors can be hard on the eyes.

Sound Blaster audio cards are well supported and high quality.

A note: Windows 98 is probably your best bet. Better support than 95, "lighter" in resources than ME, XP or 2k. (BTW, I hate Windows in general but I've found 98 to be the least annoying)

I'm not really up to date on hardware prices, as I haven't actually bought anything in a while. I think I remember seeing a guide for this on the Tascam website. Also, although you'll probably find cheaper prices online or in a catalog, buying your monitor and case at a store near you will save on shipping.

I'm tired. I'm going to bed. I'm probably forgetting some stuff. I hope this was somewhat coherent.
 
A note: Windows 98 is probably your best bet. Better support than 95, "lighter" in resources than ME, XP or 2k. (BTW, I hate Windows in general but I've found 98 to be the least annoying)


I have to strongly disagree with bnoji on his choice of OS. Win 98 is absolute crap, and not worth considering unless there is no other option. Either win2K or winXP are far, far superior. By now compatability with Win2K is not a problem (except for protools). Win2K is actually less taxing on your hardware resources because it uses them much more efficiently. Win XP is maybe a little harder on graphics, but you can disable alot of its graphics intensive features. If you have a p3 500 or above, your system will have no problem with win2K/XP. To give an example, I'm running a p3 500 with XP now. It is faster and more stable than an AMD 1ghz I have running with Win98.

As far as HDs go, do not get SCSI unless you have lots of cash to burn. A good 7200rpm IDE drive should be capable of doing anything you are likely to want from it at 1/5 the price.

CPU speed is very important, because this will determine how many plugins you are able to use at once. People say Intel Pentium platforms are overall a bit more stable, but for raw power, you can't beat AMD's XP class processer paired with DDR memory. By the way, pentium 3 procs are faster per megahert than pentium4. Intel made p4s less efficiant per clock cycle so as to be able to run them at faster clock speeds.

I reccomend getting certified memory - alot of cheap memory will malfunction. DDR memory will give a significant performance boost over SDRAM, but your motherboard must be DDR capable.

Make shure your motherboard had plenty of IDE slots.

that's it
 
Although Win2k uses your resources more efficiently, it does use more overall. In a development environment we had two Win2k Pro boxen running idle using 112MB and 118MB of RAM. Both were P3 800MHz with 128MB and 256MB RDRAM.

I totally agree that Win2k and XP are more stable than 98, but that's a tradeoff you have to deal with.
 
Let me show you what I have and what it costed me, may give you and idea what you can get for you money. Remember most of this stuff is at least three months old so for the most part you can get faster components for roughly the same price.

Athlon XP 1500+ - $130
MSI K7T266 Pro2 (Via KT266a chipset)- $120
512mb Crucial DDR Memory (RAM)- $65
Maxtor 30gig 7200 rpm Hard Drive- $95
Antec sx830 case- $100
Radeon 7500 Video Card- $100
Floppy Drive- $15
Lite-On 24x CD-RW drive- $90
Linksys Network Card- $15
Viewsonic A75f 17" Monitor- $300 (much, much cheaper now, almost two years old)

That is about it for a grand total of- $930. Now this setup is stable, VERY fast, and pretty damn inexpensive. The only thing that may be more expensive now is the RAM, everything else is cheaper. Especially the monitor. What it did not include was the software, I THINK (not quite sure) that you can get WinXP OEM for around $100. Bringing the total to about $1030.

Hope this helps, at least gives you an idea of what you can get for your money.
 
I can recommend if you are at all technically inclined and listen to others who know more then you to build. You will get a kick out of it, i built the one i'm on, and its really fun. And chicks dig it:D ... its like having your own hotrod. One thing to remember with buying a computer or building one especially.. Get High Quality motherboards. If not, it will be your demise, and i mean fire and brimstone, death, despair and plague.
 
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kristian said:
I can recommend if you are at all technically inclined and listen to others who know more then you to build. You will get a kick out of it, i built the one i'm on, and its really fun. And chicks dig it:D ... its like having your own hotrod. One thing to remember with buying a computer or building one especially.. Get High Quality motherboards. If not, it will be your demise, and im mean fire and brimstone, death, despair and plague.

You are absolutely right. I think that is one of the largest reasons why I build my own. Not only for the money saving oppurtunities but most large scale companies, Gateway, Dell, Compaq, but less than stellar and for the most part, Proprietary, motherboards in their systems......YUCK!
 
Re: Miacom Computers on Ebay

shackx2 said:
Has anybody heard anything about these computers. They've always got computers listed on ebay and it sounds like a pretty good deal.

You need to be real careful buying a computer on ebay. I once got a 866mhz Plll from a company there which after using it for 6 months and having it burn up, ended up being a stepped up 566 mhz celeron chip. Then after a little leg work I found they already had a bit of other trouble :Happy Beagle Marketing (aka Modems Unlimited) of Washington and Bloomington, Ill., for alleged distribution of counterfeit Office 97 Professional and Windows® 98 via the Web site http://www.fastmodems.com/.
Now this company was a reputable Ebay seller, so beware!!!
 
Nutdotnet said:
Let me show you what I have and what it costed me, may give you and idea what you can get for you money. Remember most of this stuff is at least three months old so for the most part you can get faster components for roughly the same price...

Thanks Nutdotnet. That info was useful.
 
Although Win2k uses your resources more efficiently, it does use more overall. In a development environment we had two Win2k Pro boxen running idle using 112MB and 118MB of RAM. Both were P3 800MHz with 128MB and 256MB RDRAM.

I recently did a clean install of XP. It uses around 90MB of RAM at startup. This isn't much different than 98.

In any case, even if XP or 2K are using more RAM at startup, they will still run faster and better than 98 or ME because XP and 2K have much better memory management. 98 and ME have trouble de-allocating memory which is no longer being used. This means the machine behaves like you have many more applications open then you do, and that its performance will deteriorate over time, until you are forced to reboot. I am running XP on a laptop with a p3 450 and 128MB RAM, and on a desktop with a p3 500 also with 128MB RAM - Both systems run extremely well - much better than when they were running 98. I also have an AMD 1.0 GHz machine with 128MB RAM running win ME - It is much slower than either of the 2 inferior machines I have running XP. Moral of the story - Unless you are running a < 400MHz machine with less than 96MB RAM, you are much better off with 2K or XP than with 95/98/ME.

BTW - Microsoft's System Req :

XP : 233MHz Proc/ 128MB RAM

2K : 133MHz / 64MB RAM

ME : 150MHz/ 32MB RAM

The truth is, none of these run well with less than 128MB RAM, and SDRAM is very inexpensive. Don't hold out on an upgrade when you can buy 128MB of RAM for $30 or less.
 
Agreed, 256MB is the new realistic minimum requirement for Win2k or XP that you actually plan to use. I have a machine running Win2k on only 48MB of RAM, but it's just a print server...and wouldn't be much fun to actually *use* :) :)

Slackmaster 2000
 
Thanks guys.

-So what would a good motherboard be? I am proabably gonna get a PIII.

-Should I get SDRAM or DDR ram?

-Hard drive; Maxtor or not?


Thanks again!

:D
 
Get DDR Ram if you can.
I reccomend Seagate baracuda over maxtor (7200 rpm)
Asus is always good bet for mboard - Epox also good.
 
Win98 is the biggest pile of shit ever. I'll never go back to it. Long live 2000/XP!!
 
There is nothing wrong with a PIII, but they top out around 1.2 ghz., and the socket 370 mobo selection is getting smaller. Manufacturers are devoting their attention to PIV and socket A(AMD) boards, and the prices are dropping everyday.

My guess is the PIII represents a technology that will not be supported much longer.
You can buy a faster mobo/cpu for only a few dollars more, and it will support the latest hardware like DDR and AT133.


Twist
 
frank,

This is a great thread with lots of guys who obviously know what they are talking about. Building is absolutely way better than buying and will DEFINITELY save you $ in the end. And if you're not comfortable messing with the hardware yourself, there are lots of sites with detailed explainations about building or you could ask someone to help, that's how I built my first machine years ago and it's much easier now.
As far as MOBOs go, I can't recommend anything specific for a DAW but some companies that I trust are Soyo for Pentiums and overclocking capability and Tyan for AMDs. Both companies have multiple choices and one should meet your needs.
On a side note I just built a machine as kind of an experiment using a Spacewalker MOBO and case. It's super small form factor (about the size of a shoebox) which I needed cause our studio is super small. The MOBO comes with almost everything onboard: LAN, video, 5.1 sound, 3 firewire ports, 4 USBs and even TV out. Here's what I got at Fry's

Spacewalker barebones (case, MOBO, power supply, heat sink) $299
P4 1.8 processor $180 (I think)
80 GB ATA 100 7200 RPM HDD $90
512 DDR memory $90
24x CD-RW $50
floppy drive $10

I already had a Delta 1010. Now I paid a bit more for the small form factor stuff since it's relatively new technology, but the machine runs very cool inside and I couldn't be happier with the performance for the size. So this should be a good indicator that you can build one just as good with regular size components even cheaper. Good Luck! :)
 
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