Best Budget, Stand-alone, digital multitrack recorder???????

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Hello! I am obviously new to the forum and to digital recording. I am looking for the do everything machine for an amazingly low price. I'll give you the details of what I want to do and then detail the rest about my situation below in case you don't want to read all of that.

1. Obviously I want a digital multitrack recorder. I want something that can stand alone as a recorder and mixer. I want the product that I transfer to my computer to need next to nothing in terms of editing, mixing, etc. If I have to create a MP3 from a WAV file then fine, but that's it. I only have garageband and although it works, I hate having to hook my computer up to my guitar. It sucks the life out of my creativity. Is it all in my head, probably, but I have to live with this head.

2. It must have some sort of drum machine for building songs. I don't own a drum machine or drum set and I don't want to have to make my own loops. I'd like the option, but the fact is, if I can get a decent beat with the correct timing, I'm happy.

3. I would like something that has decent external speakers so I can capture songs quickly without having to hook anything up.

4. I want something that I can bypass amp modeling (****NOTE*** I would like an effect that changes my guitar into a bass guitar). I have a Fender Mustang Floor that I've dialed in with my tones and don't need something muddling with that.

5. I want it to be easy to use. I used a tascam portastudio 4track cassette recorder that I purchased in 2000 and it was a piece of cake to use. I want something like that.

I will be using it to write songs to share with friends and family. It will not be used for gigging. I own a digitech jamman solo xt that is fun to play with and I thought would provide the quick recording features that I want, but it is very limited to looping. I can get some ideas down quickly, but still need garageband to arrange loops and then connect to garage band to really build a song. UGGHHH!

I own an electric guitar, acoustic guitar, microphone and the aforementioned Mustang Floor. Also a set of great headphones. That's it. With that set I want to add a multitrack recorder to get the thousands of ideas out onto CDs.

What I have been looking at so far are the Boss Micro BR 80 and Zoom R8. I am concerned that I won't have the ease of recording of the BR 80, but it has the eband feature which I think is pretty cool. Speed up and slow down songs without changing the pitch. Also changing keys of songs. Great for practice. The Zoom R8 seems to fit the bill, but have heard it is a little finicky with the drum loops. The Boss BR 800 seems pretty nice too, but is a little steep for my budget (less than $300 hopefully). Is there something that I am missing? Is one of these better than the other? Is the Boss BR 800 worth the extra $$$? PLEASE HELP. If you own one of these or something else that fits the bill, PLEASE LET ME KNOW!!!!
Thanks!
 
Hi there..i am also a new guy out here..and i wish you enjoy your stay here and have a good time. Pleasure meeting you.
 
Hey mhay.

Can you get to store and have a play with either the zoom or boss units ? Also watch reviews on youtube if you havent already.

I have a boss micro br gathering dust for no other reason than I progressed from the jam/idea tracking stage to laptop with interface,Reaper as DAW and NI Komplete for vsti's and gt fx. It wasnt too finicky and the COSM tones were nice. I just found myself moving beyond it pretty quick. You dont want to get something then soon get bored of it or outgrow its limitations.

The two bigger units would be something to shoot for I reckon. More options, more features.

You seem to have narrowed it down, time to get hands on with both units in store if you can. :thumbs up:
 
Whichever stand-alone you end up with, you will notice that they do not meet one of your requirements: they all need external speakers (or headphones, at least).
I had a Boss BR600, it was OK, you could turn off the COSM, and program an 'acceptable' drum track. You can probably pickup a BR800 used now in your price range, as they have been out for a while.

I have to laugh whenever I hear someone say they 'don't want to hook their guitar up to a computer' - what's the real difference in plugging into a computer, a recorder, or into an amp and micing it? Just the way the wires go, and the human-equipment interface. Any 'creativity stifling' is between the ears.
 
I know the between the ears thing with plugging in to a computer. The other issue is I own one computer - a laptop and my wife needs to use it too. Hence the "stand alone" requirement. I will certainly try to get to a store but the only one in town is a Guitar Center and the employees are so hit or miss.

Also, headphones are no problem as I have 3 kids under 6 and are pretty much required to play through headphones all the time.

Thanks for the advice and I'd be happy to hear more.
 
I wouldnt worry about the sales staff product knowledge if you are just there to handle the product. They will most likely try to sell what's not moving or what they get the most margin on, not whats best for you.

[h=6]Virtual Jam Band[/h]
The MICRO BR BR-80’s eBand mode offers musicians a fun way to play along with their favorite songs. With the bundled eBand Song List Editor software, you can import CD, MP3, and WAV audio files from a computer via USB. The Center Cancel function can be used to minimize the volume of pre-recorded vocals and solos for play- and sing-along enjoyment. eBand mode is also an excellent partner for musical training, as it lets you record your performance adjust playback speed and/or pitch as desired.

This seems to be a selling point for you - why is that ? Its nothing super special if you are making your own original recordings and its nothing you cant do already with free software on a computer ( Audacity ). Besides, you still need to connect it to a computer to transfer songs and there is no guarantee it will cancel the vox and isolate gt parts as that depends how the song was mixed.

It appears the Zoom R8 is much newer than the BR800 and also has a very intuitive looking layout AND touch pads if you want to tap out your own beats, which you dont atm, so the 500Mb of sampled drum loops will prob satisfy you.

If it was up to me, I would definitely bypass the BR80 and go for the R8.
 
4. I want something that I can bypass amp modeling (****NOTE*** I would like an effect that changes my guitar into a bass guitar). I have a Fender Mustang Floor that I've dialed in with my tones and don't need something muddling with that.

Why would you WANT to bypass amp modeling? Especially if you're plugging directly into the computer with your guitar?

Also, there isn't something that will turn your guitar into a bass guitar. The closest you can do is pitch shift your guitar down an octave, but I don't know what Standalone recorders have in that department, much less if it's a GOOD pitch shifter. The end result you can decide if it sounds good or not, but you're asking for a lot outta one machine.
 
My ZOOM G2 gt pedal has an almost passable octave down pitch shift and it's been out since 2005 so I am guessing ( hoping ) the algorithms have kept up with the advances in processing power...and it appears the R8 ( 2011 ) has some form of bass simulator.
http://www.zoom.co.jp/products/r8/spec/ said:
Algorithms 8 (CLEAN、DISTORTION、ACO/BASS SIM、BASS、MIC、DUAL MIC、STEREO、MASTERING)

Worth shooting them an email or messaging a R8 owning youtube reviewer.
 
I want to bypass amp modeling because I already have an amp modeler that I've worked on a ton to get all of my desired tones. I would plug into my amp modeler (mustang floor) and the out to digital recorder.
 
I think it's a cool added bonus. First and foremost I want to record songs to share with friends and family. I know there is free software, but I share one computer with my wife and kids so I don't always have access to it when I want.
 
Also with the bass guitar modeling, I don't own a bass. I'm not looking to record songs for the radio, just for friends and family so I don't want to buy a bass guitar when I'm just looking to lay down some bass lines to round out songs.
 
Hello! I am obviously new to the forum and to digital recording. I am looking for the do everything machine for an amazingly low price. I'll give you the details of what I want to do and then detail the rest about my situation below in case you don't want to read all of that.

1. Obviously I want a digital multitrack recorder. I want something that can stand alone as a recorder and mixer. I want the product that I transfer to my computer to need next to nothing in terms of editing, mixing, etc. If I have to create a MP3 from a WAV file then fine, but that's it. I only have garageband and although it works, I hate having to hook my computer up to my guitar. It sucks the life out of my creativity. Is it all in my head, probably, but I have to live with this head.

2. It must have some sort of drum machine for building songs. I don't own a drum machine or drum set and I don't want to have to make my own loops. I'd like the option, but the fact is, if I can get a decent beat with the correct timing, I'm happy.

3. I would like something that has decent external speakers so I can capture songs quickly without having to hook anything up.

4. I want something that I can bypass amp modeling (****NOTE*** I would like an effect that changes my guitar into a bass guitar). I have a Fender Mustang Floor that I've dialed in with my tones and don't need something muddling with that.

5. I want it to be easy to use. I used a tascam portastudio 4track cassette recorder that I purchased in 2000 and it was a piece of cake to use. I want something like that.

I will be using it to write songs to share with friends and family. It will not be used for gigging. I own a digitech jamman solo xt that is fun to play with and I thought would provide the quick recording features that I want, but it is very limited to looping. I can get some ideas down quickly, but still need garageband to arrange loops and then connect to garage band to really build a song. UGGHHH!

I own an electric guitar, acoustic guitar, microphone and the aforementioned Mustang Floor. Also a set of great headphones. That's it. With that set I want to add a multitrack recorder to get the thousands of ideas out onto CDs.

What I have been looking at so far are the Boss Micro BR 80 and Zoom R8. I am concerned that I won't have the ease of recording of the BR 80, but it has the eband feature which I think is pretty cool. Speed up and slow down songs without changing the pitch. Also changing keys of songs. Great for practice. The Zoom R8 seems to fit the bill, but have heard it is a little finicky with the drum loops. The Boss BR 800 seems pretty nice too, but is a little steep for my budget (less than $300 hopefully). Is there something that I am missing? Is one of these better than the other? Is the Boss BR 800 worth the extra $$$? PLEASE HELP. If you own one of these or something else that fits the bill, PLEASE LET ME KNOW!!!!
Thanks!

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